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Merc1107 wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 4:57 pm Does Redcliffe do 960s?
I believe RCDEP does a few runs on 959 even though this is mostly WP controlled.
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Is that True that buses 1207, 1222, 1354 and 1585 have gone to Busselton permanently to replace buses 1500 and 1501 and 2 additional buses for the fleet and I Saw 1155 at currambine shopping centre yesterday on route 461 and is 1155 permantley at karrinyup depot at all or not
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HL7619 wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 4:59 pm Is that True that buses 1207, 1222, 1354 and 1585 have gone to Busselton permanently to replace buses 1500 and 1501 and 2 additional buses for the fleet and I Saw 1155 at currambine shopping centre yesterday on route 461 and is 1155 permantley at karrinyup depot at all or not
1356 is also in Busselton.
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1360 seen doing a training run in the city.
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Today's buses on the Midland/Airport train replacement from my observations (feel free to contribute):

2336
2342
2345
2353
2359
2365
2719
2751
2962
2990
3048
3051
3073
3090
3092
3103
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Has it been confirmed that Buses 1207, 1222, 1354, 1356 and 1585 have permanently staying in Busselton and will buses 1220, 1232, 1233, 1357, 1358, 1586-1590, 2109, 2112 be staying in Busselton Aswell and when will the 8xx series buses be retiring and what buses will be replacing them?
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Gonna be honest - anyone who has those answers, wouldn't be allowed to say due to social media policies at their respective companies. We can suggest things that may happen, but the actual answers are kept well hidden.

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3369 and 3370 delivered to Bayswater depot.
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2379 and 2380 have both left midvale and returned back to path Redcliffe ahead of path taking over 292s on Monday. 2568 was seen operating 292s last night and again this morning.

2564 also had the honours of operating the last 331 from chidlow to sacred heart primary. From Monday the 331 that would normally do the extension to sacred heart will now terminate in Mundaring. The afternoon service for now is still operating
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Newbie Bus 3379 spotted at Big Wheels Truck Alignment in Welshpool this afternoon.
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Saw Bus 2261 on Route 446 Today through Kingsley and Bus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service and is that true that Path Transit is taking over the Canning Vale, Midland and Southern River contract and will they also be retaining the Kalamunda and Morley Contract Aswell.
Does anybody know if it will be the 16xx or 21xx series B7 buses that will go to Busselton.
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HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Saw Bus 2261 on Route 446 Today through Kingsley and Bus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service and is that true that Path Transit is taking over the Canning Vale, Midland and Southern River contract and will they also be retaining the Kalamunda and Morley Contract Aswell.
Does anybody know if it will be the 16xx or 21xx series B7 buses that will go to Busselton.
Can you ask yourself if some of your statements are true and NOT made up? And PLEASE stick to factual and true information that are readily available.
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HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Saw Bus 2261 on Route 446 Today through Kingsley and Bus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service and is that true that Path Transit is taking over the Canning Vale, Midland and Southern River contract and will they also be retaining the Kalamunda and Morley Contract Aswell.
Does anybody know if it will be the 16xx or 21xx series B7 buses that will go to Busselton.
I only know Swan Transit may lose Midland package if it gets farmed out together with Morley and Kalamunda. Other than that, everything you said has no basis. Swan Transit is handing back 292 to Kalamunda package, nothing more. 2261 has been at Karrinyup for a while already.
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Given that none of these contracts have gone out to tender yet, any discussion of who or who may not win these contracts is purely speculative. Let’s please keep this thread to factual information and observations.
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Mr OC Benz wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:31 am Given that none of these contracts have gone out to tender yet, any discussion of who or who may not win these contracts is purely speculative. Let’s please keep this thread to factual information and observations.
I believe Morley, Midland and Kalamunda packages are due to expire soon. Canning and Southern River should have at least another year to run, AFAIK.
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Firstly, an observation - noted 1227 and 1827 on Thursday at Warwick, on driver training, though both displayed service destos (1227 displaying 448, 1827 displaying 441)...

And secondly, just so we don't look harsh, HL7619, I'll answer your questions/comments...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Saw Bus 2261 on Route 446 Today through Kingsley
Not a notable or unusual observation, Karrinyup Depot often run 44Xs considering they're both part of the same contract area...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Bus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service
That is an unusual and notable observation, would recommend backing it up with a photo next time just to prove it... NHs were brought back from storage or regional areas earlier this year to bring additional buses for the Midland/Airport Line shutdown, and should remain in Perth with the upcoming 18-month Armadale/Thornlie Line shutdown, again to provide additional buses for the intensive replacement services. As to why they're back in service right now as of this moment, who knows? Maybe 1155 was simply running 461 on the desto while under driver training, as above.
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Is that true that Path Transit is taking over the Canning Vale, Midland and Southern River contract and will they also be retaining the Kalamunda and Morley Contract Aswell.
Not relevant to the discussion, although you'll have received that notice from our wonderful Mr OCB, and regular zidanehartono. Canning and Southern River contracts were meant to expire in April 2020, so it seems that Swan have been granted an extension (with COVID and whatnot). Midland and Morley are due to expire in April next year, so tenders should be out later this year for them. However, until the new contract gets awarded, nobody here has any information on who might in the future operate which contracts. Not even the PTA know at this stage, as nobody will have submitted tender bids...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Does anybody know if it will be the 16xx or 21xx series B7 buses that will go to Busselton.
Similarly, nobody knows. Let the PTA or the contractors decide who goes where, majority of users here aren't in a position where they know the inside workings of fleet movements - and those that do know are likely employees who have rules on what they can and can't say.

So, in summary:
  • Nobody knows exactly where buses will be moved.
  • Observations posted should be unusual, or notable - we have depot fleet lists on this forum (last updated a month and a half ago, typically gets updated once every 1-2 months).
  • This thread is meant for your observations, not questions about contracts. That should go in the WA General Discussions thread (but as stated, it's unlikely anyone knows anything about contracts at this stage).
Oh, and a final fun fact: this thread also has a front page which contains the topic of this thread and all the rules applicable to this thread! Crazy how this thread has rules, right? :roll:
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Bus Suggestions wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:44 pm Firstly, an observation - noted 1227 and 1827 on Thursday at Warwick, on driver training, though both displayed service destos (1227 displaying 448, 1827 displaying 441)...

And secondly, just so we don't look harsh, HL7619, I'll answer your questions/comments...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Saw Bus 2261 on Route 446 Today through Kingsley
Not a notable or unusual observation, Karrinyup Depot often run 44Xs considering they're both part of the same contract area...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Bus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service
That is an unusual and notable observation, would recommend backing it up with a photo next time just to prove it... NHs were brought back from storage or regional areas earlier this year to bring additional buses for the Midland/Airport Line shutdown, and should remain in Perth with the upcoming 18-month Armadale/Thornlie Line shutdown, again to provide additional buses for the intensive replacement services. As to why they're back in service right now as of this moment, who knows? Maybe 1155 was simply running 461 on the desto while under driver training, as above.
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Is that true that Path Transit is taking over the Canning Vale, Midland and Southern River contract and will they also be retaining the Kalamunda and Morley Contract Aswell.
Not relevant to the discussion, although you'll have received that notice from our wonderful Mr OCB, and regular zidanehartono. Canning and Southern River contracts were meant to expire in April 2020, so it seems that Swan have been granted an extension (with COVID and whatnot). Midland and Morley are due to expire in April next year, so tenders should be out later this year for them. However, until the new contract gets awarded, nobody here has any information on who might in the future operate which contracts. Not even the PTA know at this stage, as nobody will have submitted tender bids...
HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pm Does anybody know if it will be the 16xx or 21xx series B7 buses that will go to Busselton.
Similarly, nobody knows. Let the PTA or the contractors decide who goes where, majority of users here aren't in a position where they know the inside workings of fleet movements - and those that do know are likely employees who have rules on what they can and can't say.

So, in summary:
  • Nobody knows exactly where buses will be moved.
  • Observations posted should be unusual, or notable - we have depot fleet lists on this forum (last updated a month and a half ago, typically gets updated once every 1-2 months).
  • This thread is meant for your observations, not questions about contracts. That should go in the WA General Discussions thread (but as stated, it's unlikely anyone knows anything about contracts at this stage).
Oh, and a final fun fact: this thread also has a front page which contains the topic of this thread and all the rules applicable to this thread! Crazy how this thread has rules, right? :roll:
44x bus routes have all along been Marmion package anyway. Back then when Path Transit were in charge, Trigg was the only depot for this region. It was only in recent years that Beenyup was built and some Warwick routes taken over by them. Technically, it is in Joondalup area though.
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2901 on 950.
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Just saw 3335 doing route 292 today.
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shinjiman wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:56 pm Just saw 3335 doing route 292 today.
If you bothered to scroll up, ive already posted that 2379 and 2380 have gone back to Redcliffe depot ahead of path taking over the 292s from Monday.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:08 pm
Bus Suggestions wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:44 pm Firstly, an observation - noted 1227 and 1827 on Thursday at Warwick, on driver training, though both displayed service destos (1227 displaying 448, 1827 displaying 441)...

And secondly, just so we don't look harsh, HL7619, I'll answer your questions/comments...

Not a notable or unusual observation, Karrinyup Depot often run 44Xs considering they're both part of the same contract area...

That is an unusual and notable observation, would recommend backing it up with a photo next time just to prove it... NHs were brought back from storage or regional areas earlier this year to bring additional buses for the Midland/Airport Line shutdown, and should remain in Perth with the upcoming 18-month Armadale/Thornlie Line shutdown, again to provide additional buses for the intensive replacement services. As to why they're back in service right now as of this moment, who knows? Maybe 1155 was simply running 461 on the desto while under driver training, as above.

Not relevant to the discussion, although you'll have received that notice from our wonderful Mr OCB, and regular zidanehartono. Canning and Southern River contracts were meant to expire in April 2020, so it seems that Swan have been granted an extension (with COVID and whatnot). Midland and Morley are due to expire in April next year, so tenders should be out later this year for them. However, until the new contract gets awarded, nobody here has any information on who might in the future operate which contracts. Not even the PTA know at this stage, as nobody will have submitted tender bids...

Similarly, nobody knows. Let the PTA or the contractors decide who goes where, majority of users here aren't in a position where they know the inside workings of fleet movements - and those that do know are likely employees who have rules on what they can and can't say.

So, in summary:
  • Nobody knows exactly where buses will be moved.
  • Observations posted should be unusual, or notable - we have depot fleet lists on this forum (last updated a month and a half ago, typically gets updated once every 1-2 months).
  • This thread is meant for your observations, not questions about contracts. That should go in the WA General Discussions thread (but as stated, it's unlikely anyone knows anything about contracts at this stage).
Oh, and a final fun fact: this thread also has a front page which contains the topic of this thread and all the rules applicable to this thread! Crazy how this thread has rules, right? :roll:
44x bus routes have all along been Marmion package anyway. Back then when Path Transit were in charge, Trigg was the only depot for this region. It was only in recent years that Beenyup was built and some Warwick routes taken over by them. Technically, it is in Joondalup area though.
44x and 45x routes not including 450 and 451 (as they are new) were always shared between Joondalup, Trigg and occasionally Wangara. Same with the 46x and 47x routes. I've seen Trigg Gassies on 473's, likewise 1077 used to regularly do 452's, 381's and 443's etc on it's permanent shifts
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HL7619 wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:03 pmBus 1155 on Route 461 through Currambine and why are the NH Buses back in service.
Bus Suggestions wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:44 pm That is an unusual and notable observation, would recommend backing it up with a photo next time just to prove it... NHs were brought back from storage or regional areas earlier this year to bring additional buses for the Midland/Airport Line shutdown, and should remain in Perth with the upcoming 18-month Armadale/Thornlie Line shutdown, again to provide additional buses for the intensive replacement services. As to why they're back in service right now as of this moment, who knows? Maybe 1155 was simply running 461 on the desto while under driver training, as above.
If, for some reason, a depot has run short on buses, putting 1155 in service would be favourable over cancelling a trip or trips.

The bus may even be sent out a few times a week as opposed to leaving it parked up in anticipation of the upcoming rail replacement. Buses that see little to no use (even those whose use is confined to school trips) can become very troublesome when more is demanded of them than usual. There would also be a need to retain some driver familiarity with the type, as unfamiliarity with a bus can lead some drivers into thinking a normal quirk of the type (NHs not only have their quirks, but lack the homogeneity of the Volvo fleet) is some sort of fault, again, causing operational headaches.

Alternatively (and this would be a unusual), if 1155 was out for training and happened to be in the right place to cover for a breakdown, that could also explain it.
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B-series 101/115 had the honours of being the first train service to stop at the new Lakelands Station right at midday, however this was to only accommodate Roger Cook, Rita Saffioti and the media.
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And 2536 is doing for the route 292 today 11/06/2023, which is the last day operated by Swan.
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Bus-1809 wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:43 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:08 pm
44x bus routes have all along been Marmion package anyway. Back then when Path Transit were in charge, Trigg was the only depot for this region. It was only in recent years that Beenyup was built and some Warwick routes taken over by them. Technically, it is in Joondalup area though.
44x and 45x routes not including 450 and 451 (as they are new) were always shared between Joondalup, Trigg and occasionally Wangara. Same with the 46x and 47x routes. I've seen Trigg Gassies on 473's, likewise 1077 used to regularly do 452's, 381's and 443's etc on it's permanent shifts
All that stopped when Marmion and Joondalup went to Swan Transit and Transdev respectively after 2011. After that, Claremont package buses started appearing up at City Beach.
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