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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 12:51 pm
eddy wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 11:38 am

As we need one for each other and one for the country urban sprawl is not a bad thing if people leave their car at home and bike to the nearest Trailerbus stop and now with electric bikes it is so easy and cheap.

The big problem in the past was you cannot get bikes, mobility scooters and strollers with children in them on a conventional bus so once you get in the car at a time that is convenient you may as well keep driving.
How would this work in parts of western Sydney where most of the routes don't run on or anywhere near a arterial road
It is easy for people to ride a conventional bike particularly an electric assist bike up to 5 kilometres to a station or Trailerbus stop to get to work, school or sport from 5 years old on default safe 30 km/h roads leaving the gas guzzler at home and saving on tolls and kilometres on their car.

The Trailerbus is 19m long, 2.5m wide, 4.3m high to comply with the Australian general access rules and they can go anywhere a conventional bus can go.

May I point out by having 18 wheels instead of the biggest bus 12 wheels it does not need an axle weight exemption like most buses in NSW and is kinder to the roads while having a market for the truck when it hits 500,000 kilometres.
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After watching this video of rebuilding a bus in America I thought surely it would be cheaper to sell a Trailerbus prime mover at 500,000 kilometres than rebuilding a bus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpeVRLIPP98
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Watched this video on the B line and was even more convinced that a Trailerbus would be ideal but it needs the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTdZosl1to&t=25s

All side streets need to be 30 km/h safe streets so people can ride in safety to the main road.

Every side road needs a bus stop at it and if it holds up cars on the main road there will be less cars and more people on the bus.

If a driver sees another bus behind he does not stop unless someone wants to alight NO PASSING.

Originally I had thought 1,000 Trailerbus would encourage makers but now I think just 100 would be sufficient.
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eddy wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 11:33 am Watched this video on the B line and was even more convinced that a Trailerbus would be ideal but it needs the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTdZosl1to&t=25s

All side streets need to be 30 km/h safe streets so people can ride in safety to the main road.

Every side road needs a bus stop at it and if it holds up cars on the main road there will be less cars and more people on the bus.

If a driver sees another bus behind he does not stop unless someone wants to alight NO PASSING.

Originally I had thought 1,000 Trailerbus would encourage makers but now I think just 100 would be sufficient.
The NIMBYs on the northern beaches will shoot down your idea in the planing phase
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 2:02 pm
eddy wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 11:33 am Watched this video on the B line and was even more convinced that a Trailerbus would be ideal but it needs the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTdZosl1to&t=25s

All side streets need to be 30 km/h safe streets so people can ride in safety to the main road.

Every side road needs a bus stop at it and if it holds up cars on the main road there will be less cars and more people on the bus.

If a driver sees another bus behind he does not stop unless someone wants to alight NO PASSING.

Originally I had thought 1,000 Trailerbus would encourage makers but now I think just 100 would be sufficient.
The NIMBYs on the northern beaches will shoot down your idea in the planing phase
$600m for carparks when you can buy 1,000 trailerbuses for that and look at how many people are peeved off because there is not enough bus stops, you may be right but I think they would love safe 30 km/h side roads and many bus stops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgJWXO4pEqw
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Just watched this video and at the end everybody has to wait until the bus stops before going down the stairs which must increase the dwell time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXzMrC9WVc

Better to have safe steps like the Trailerbus with only a single stop button adjacent to the big doors.
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eddy wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 6:08 pm Just watched this video and at the end everybody has to wait until the bus stops before going down the stairs which must increase the dwell time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXzMrC9WVc

Better to have safe steps like the Trailerbus with only a single stop button adjacent to the big doors.
So your expecting people to walk down the aisle way of a moving bus to request it to stop
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 7:33 pm
eddy wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 6:08 pm Just watched this video and at the end everybody has to wait until the bus stops before going down the stairs which must increase the dwell time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXzMrC9WVc

Better to have safe steps like the Trailerbus with only a single stop button adjacent to the big doors.
So your expecting people to walk down the aisle way of a moving bus to request it to stop
They do on a single deck with plenty to hang on to.

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On a double deck train people all get to the doors before the driver even starts to slow as it is easier and they do not want to miss the stop while those only going a short distance do not even bother going upstairs.
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Looking at the worn out bendy buses at the quay yesterday and wondered what they will do with them when finished where a Trailerbus prime mover could easily be sold at 500,000 kilometres for a water cart etc.

And there is no talk about any increase in productivity in the budget.
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eddy wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 8:56 am Looking at the worn out bendy buses at the quay yesterday and wondered what they will do with them when finished where a Trailerbus prime mover could easily be sold at 500,000 kilometres for a water cart etc.

And there is no talk about any increase in productivity in the budget.
Why would the feds do anything about public transport which is Left to the states
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 12:29 pm
eddy wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 8:56 am Looking at the worn out bendy buses at the quay yesterday and wondered what they will do with them when finished where a Trailerbus prime mover could easily be sold at 500,000 kilometres for a water cart etc.

And there is no talk about any increase in productivity in the budget.
Why would the feds do anything about public transport which is Left to the states
If they want to improve productivity in Australia then one glowing example is to produce a number of Trailerbuses.
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The trailer bus idea could become a thing but then Lord Mayor Clover will ban trailer buses from entering the Sydney CBD as she's trying her hardest to ban cars and buses from entering the city
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 4:23 pm The trailer bus idea could become a thing but then Lord Mayor Clover will ban trailer buses from entering the Sydney CBD as she's trying her hardest to ban cars and buses from entering the city
She would love it as it can take many bikes and mobility scooters right into the city instead of cars perhaps using the whole road in some places.
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There may be more bus drivers if all they need to do is concentrate on driving.
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eddy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 4:45 pm There may be more bus drivers if all they need to do is concentrate on driving.
Then how would a person that doesn't know a area find out if a bus go anywhere near where they they are going
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm
eddy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 4:45 pm There may be more bus drivers if all they need to do is concentrate on driving.
Then how would a person that doesn't know a area find out if a bus go anywhere near where they they are going
There would be a means to communicate with the driver at bus stops like a drive thru and an emergency button where he would just stop and wait for the police etc.

Although most people are great I do know of bus drivers being assaulted and spat on and one girl who had a Saturday night shift took her husband for protection.

I assume you know how much distraction just a couple of kids can be imagine being responsible for crowd control with a few drunks on board.
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The Trailerbus would be great for taking bikes and wheelchairs intercity as it is nearly impossible on a normal coach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfazQOraUHI

Actually a Trailerbus would be good to go to the airport with plenty of space for luggage.
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To save a lot of money putting rail to the Western Sydney Airport there could be 60 Trailerbuses leaving one each minute from Parramatta for only $30m and the drivers wages would be nowhere near the interest of the billions needed for that line.
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Queensland had flat towing a year before NSW and while Australia has many road rules that are the same we have some different state to state so with many people interested in the Trailerbus I wonder which will be the first state to try them.

Canberra is built for cars however there are traffic jams and the carparks are full but lately they are thinking about 30 km/h safe back roads and used in conjunction with many Trailerbuses traffic could be free flowing with plenty of room to park the bike.
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To my knowledge nobody has built a modern Trailerbus so is the reluctance due to bus drivers, owners, regulations, pride or people just sitting on the fence waiting for another state or country.

Campbelltown busboy is the only one who has responded but I would really like feedback from others so I know what the problem is.
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There is no way trailer buses will be built in this country as there are not enough drivers for them.
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hugh45 wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 8:21 pm There is no way trailer buses will be built in this country as there are not enough drivers for them.
Thanks for the reply mate and I take it that you have a few buses.
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I sent this email off to Mercedes benz this morning and actually got a nice reply.

When cars became popular the bus lost custom so to keep them profitable they got rid of the conductor and in NSW the law where the bus driver had to see the door from their seat was introduced.

Urban sprawl is not such a bad thing if people can use a bike or mobility scooter on safe 30 km/h back roads to get to a bus stop on the main road when they want to avoid taking their car into town.

The double deck Trailerbus using your single axle prime mover would be great with the cameras and as the world will, in my opinion, go to electric bikes I think if you built a drop deck Trailerbus many bus operators will use them.
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eddy wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:57 pm I sent this email off to Mercedes benz this morning and actually got a nice reply.

When cars became popular the bus lost custom so to keep them profitable they got rid of the conductor and in NSW the law where the bus driver had to see the door from their seat was introduced.

Urban sprawl is not such a bad thing if people can use a bike or mobility scooter on safe 30 km/h back roads to get to a bus stop on the main road when they want to avoid taking their car into town.

The double deck Trailerbus using your single axle prime mover would be great with the cameras and as the world will, in my opinion, go to electric bikes I think if you built a drop deck Trailerbus many bus operators will use them.
Things would have to go back to the way they where before the 2005 government bus contracts came in when it comes to operators ordering buses for this idea to work as there is no way that Transport For NSW would reject the trailer bus idea
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:39 pm
eddy wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:57 pm I sent this email off to Mercedes benz this morning and actually got a nice reply.

When cars became popular the bus lost custom so to keep them profitable they got rid of the conductor and in NSW the law where the bus driver had to see the door from their seat was introduced.

Urban sprawl is not such a bad thing if people can use a bike or mobility scooter on safe 30 km/h back roads to get to a bus stop on the main road when they want to avoid taking their car into town.

The double deck Trailerbus using your single axle prime mover would be great with the cameras and as the world will, in my opinion, go to electric bikes I think if you built a drop deck Trailerbus many bus operators will use them.
Things would have to go back to the way they where before the 2005 government bus contracts came in when it comes to operators ordering buses for this idea to work as there is no way that Transport For NSW would reject the trailer bus idea
Thanks for the encouragement mate but to encourage kids to ride their bikes to school the safe default 30 km/h roads and Trailerbuses have to be introduced first.

I don't know how keen Mercedes is to build one but I did see that Germany is giving 2% R&D so that may be why they seem keen.
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