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But there are no passenger trains running to Cessnock these days. So how can you compare Trailerbuses with such non existent trains. Comparing with standard buses would be more realistic. It would certainly not be 5% then.

Also I note you compare "buying" Trailerbuses with "running " trains. Two totally different things. You should compare the buying of both products as well as comparing the running of both. One may favour Trailerbues while the other may favour buses.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:54 pm But there are no passenger trains running to Cessnock these days. So how can you compare Trailerbuses with such non existent trains. Comparing with standard buses would be more realistic. It would certainly not be 5% then.

Also I note you compare "buying" Trailerbuses with "running " trains. Two totally different things. You should compare the buying of both products as well as comparing the running of both. One may favour Trailerbues while the other may favour buses.
From what I can find the conventional bus runs every four hours and I get your point about comparing the Trailerbus to a non existent train but on Railpage NSW they have a petition for spending between $1m-$2m to reinstate it and I think it would be better to just use bigger buses that can take more bikes and mobility scooters.
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It has been worrying me about just having a line around where the ramps will go at bus stops like a DD train station so I now think they should have a fence around the ramp space with a gate that the driver opens remotely when safe to do so.
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If NSW approves a Trailerbus and just builds one people will come from all over the world to experience a free ride.

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Who says it would be a free ride?
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Fleet Lists wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:13 pm Who says it would be a free ride?
I can get a prime mover and would drive it and I am sure if NSW shows some guts to approve it there would be many drop deck trailer makers and bus guys to build it with an eye for many orders.
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As Australia has a width limit of 2.5m we can export everywhere in the world as more people use bikes and mobility scooters where they cannot export them to us.
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I do not understand the need for a trailer bus. I have never been in one and I would unlikely use one in the future. Electric buses are the future.
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hugh45 wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:56 pm I do not understand the need for a trailer bus. I have never been in one and I would unlikely use one in the future. Electric buses are the future.
You are not alone as many people think of a 1950 style that was banned in my mind to eliminate the conductor before Opal, air brakes, cameras, speed limiters, ABS, automatic prime movers, electric prime movers, stability control and the need to carry bikes and mobility scooters.

Looking at the big picture more people will be using bikes and mobility scooters all over the world on safe 30 km/h backroads and would like to take them for use to the final destination.

The problem with the existing bus is you cannot take 150 passengers plus their bikes even though they are allowed to be overweight where the Trailer bus not only can and even with an electric powered prime mover it is well within the legal mass limit.
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But most services would not warrant 150 passenger capacity.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:36 pm But most services would not warrant 150 passenger capacity.
Agreed mate but for where you need to take bikes and mobility scooters they would do the job better than any conventional bus.
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Safer on a safe road without a helmet than on a busy road with one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhzH6mEpIps
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This trailer bus idea of yours is a kinda good one then there is your 700kmh maglev bullet train idea which is not going to be a feasible idea in Australia for centuries maybe sometime in the 2500s (26th century) at the earilest
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:14 am This trailer bus idea of yours is a kinda good one then there is your 700kmh maglev bullet train idea which is not going to be a feasible idea in Australia for centuries maybe sometime in the 2500s (26th century) at the earilest
I suppose I think it is better to bite the bullet now with a SC maglev that would earn money by eliminating 700,000 B doubles on the Hume per year plus all the planes that could not compete than waste money on a subsidised forever surface rail and still get stuck with trucks and planes.
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eddy wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:05 pm
Campbelltown busboy wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:14 am This trailer bus idea of yours is a kinda good one then there is your 700kmh maglev bullet train idea which is not going to be a feasible idea in Australia for centuries maybe sometime in the 2500s (26th century) at the earilest
I suppose I think it is better to bite the bullet now with a SC maglev that would earn money by eliminating 700,000 B doubles on the Hume per year plus all the planes that could not compete than waste money on a subsidised forever surface rail and still get stuck with trucks and planes.
That would mean a agreement between NSW Victoria and Canberra as that would be a big federally backed infrastructure project
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The other states would have to be treated equally and it may cost $60,000,000,000 and take 5 years with 60 TBM but it will happen eventually as Sydney and Melbourne cannot grow bigger indefinitely.
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How would this prevent Sydney and Melbourne from growing bigger?
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Fleet Lists wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:21 pm How would this prevent Sydney and Melbourne from growing bigger?
If Canberra is only 20 minutes from Parramatta and Albury only 20 minutes from Melbourne and both have plenty of room to grow many people would move there I believe.

I once sat on a plane next to a lady from Albury going Melbourne/Hobart and told her about my big plan and she said I should tell a politician to which I replied it may finish his career.
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I like the "I believe" which is not necessarily facts.
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As Sydney and Melbourne run out of room they will have to spread out.

If you put this in an 11 psi single tunnel it will go 700 km/h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhrdVoGw_Ks
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Instead of creating more miserable urban sprawls, why not encourage higher density living? Expanding more and more is not the answer.
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:48 am Instead of creating more miserable urban sprawls, why not encourage higher density living? Expanding more and more is not the answer.
I agree that we need to build more mixed use buildings especially for older lonely people who need all the services to save homecare workers spending as much time travelling as working but connecting Sydney to Melbourne with an economically viable SC maglev is more about saving 700,000 trucks on the Hume per year plus making the daytime fare below planes and having the passing stations at Canberra and Albury is just cream on top.

Perhaps the Parrahub thread is more about this mate.
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People are tired of the 15 minute city and want to travel further which the Trailerbus and single deck carriages would allow them to take their electric bike or mobility scooter with them.

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This is the email I sent to the premier today.

Evidently people are protesting about the 15 minute cities and while I have trouble with conspiracy theories I do think people want to travel across town and as electric assisted bikes and mobility scooters cannot fit on a standard bus or DD train I have designed a DD trailerbus that can take 150 people plus their bikes, mobility scooters and strollers.

As it can go anywhere a standard bus goes and I have never heard of an accident with one worldwide perhaps you may allow one to be built with cameras ABS, speed limiting, air brakes, stability control and anything else you desire as at the moment for some unknown reason they are illegal.

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