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Ferry Observations for 2022,

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As for 2021.
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Noticed on TripView the F10 has timetabled service for tomorrow (a Sunday). Introduced as an initial MON-FRI service, can anyone confirm that service has been introduced for weekends as well?
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Also in the Trip Finder but not on Monday which is a Public Holiday.
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Also in the Trip finder for Sunday 9 January.
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Reported on FB this morning that former Manly Ferry MV Baragoola has sunk at its moorings at North Sydney.
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boronia wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:17 am Reported on FB this morning that former Manly Ferry MV Baragoola has sunk at its moorings at North Sydney.
I'm surprised that she lasted this long. It was obvious more than twenty years ago that a major replating of the hull was necessary for long term survival. I notice that the sun deck also failed during the sinking, so there was little structural strength there. Preserving an historic steel and timber ship in salt water must be an all or nothing commitment unfortunately and "all" means millions of money.

https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/-/media ... gister.pdf

The major headache that the old MSB feared would come one day has now arrived. Somebody now has to deal with the cleanup.

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Sadly not a surprise. It has been looking more and more decrepit. A timely reminder that our heritage assets do need maintaining. Just around the point lays the South Steyne which has not moved in years.

PS - thread titles needs amending from Operations to Observations, ditto the Bus Observations thread.
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Barragoola and company...... surely a pinnacle in the long history of Naval Architecture, especially given the un-curved vessels which have been launched upon us of late. Many thanks to tonyp and John Ward for the image above.
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‘Crying shame’: Sydney’s prized steamship languishes out of public reach

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cry ... 59lsy.html
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boronia wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:43 am ‘Crying shame’: Sydney’s prized steamship languishes out of public reach

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cry ... 59lsy.html
Any chance of showing the article (as I do for Telegraph articles)?
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Don't freeload, pay for it like everybody else does. Article is about the South Steyne and the government appearing uninterested in helping to preserve it. Costs $200k a year to maintain and will shortly need a $400k slipping.
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Linto63 wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:19 am Don't freeload, pay for it like everybody else does. Article is about the South Steyne and the government appearing uninterested in helping to preserve it. Costs $200k a year to maintain and will shortly need a $400k slipping.
Moderator, is there any way of excluding Linto63 from any news items I post so that he doesn't suffer the humiliation of freeloading? Have to say that the word "petty" crosses my mind from time to time. Some people need to acquaint themselves with the principle of fair attribution, without which the dissemination of knowledge would never get anywhere.
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Some people need to acquaint themselves with copyright law. Hence why organisations like Facebook and Google made agreements with media organisations to pay for content.
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Linto63 wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:49 am Some people need to acquaint themselves with copyright law. Hence why organisations like Facebook and Google made agreements with media organisations to pay for content.
I'm profoundly familiar with copyright law. Facebook etc are dealing with entire contents of a publication. Fair use with attribution of limited individual extracts not for commercial gain has always been provided for by copyright law, the critical point being attribution. Without attribution it's plagiarism, so it's important to provide the reference for the extract.
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tonyp wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:06 am
boronia wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:43 am ‘Crying shame’: Sydney’s prized steamship languishes out of public reach

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cry ... 59lsy.html
Any chance of showing the article (as I do for Telegraph articles)?

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Tear-Steyned: ship without home 'a crying shame'

Matt O’Sullivan
City editor

Clockwise from main: The South Steyne remains out of public reach at Berrys Bay; engineer Graeme Curran has been involved with the vessel for four decades; inside the ship. Photos: Brook Mitchell

The South Steyne is one of Australia’s most prized heritage vessels, but the steamship’s owner is struggling to find a permanent home in Sydney where the public can access it almost six years after it was forced out of Darling Harbour.

The former Manly ferry and floating restaurant is costing its owner about $200,000 a year to maintain, insure and moor at a temporary spot inaccessible to the public at Berrys Bay on the lower north shore.

The sinking of the 99-year-old Baragoola at a nearby wharf at Waverton last weekend highlighted the precarious future of vessels which once plied Sydney Harbour.

South Steyne owner Brian McDermott said he had raised with successive government ministers and agencies many possible uses for the heritagelisted vessel over the years to no avail.

‘‘There seems to be a stigma with heritage in NSW. In New Zealand, they have the Earnslaw [steamship] in Queenstown, and it’s a great tourist attraction,’’ he said. ‘‘If the Kiwis can do it, why can’t we?’’

Mr McDermott said the double-ended steamship needed an operational berth in Sydney Harbour where the public could walk on. ‘‘I am not asking for money – I’m just asking for a wharf to operate from. It will get to the stage in my lifetime where the money is eventually going to run out,’’ he said.

‘‘Hopefully, the new heritage minister will be more sympathetic to the cause.’’

Heritage Minister James Griffin referred questions to Heritage NSW, which said it would work with other government agencies on options for a permanent berthing facility. It noted, however, that there were few facilities that could accommodate the 67-metre-long South Steyne.

Apart from the daily cost of upkeep, Mr McDermott faces a bill of up to $400,000 within the next 18 months to take the vessel out of the water for inspection and a repaint.

Launched in Scotland in April 1938, the South Steyne has engines that were made by the builders of the Titanic. Months later, it arrived in Sydney and operated on the Manly run for 36 years before it was withdrawn from service in 1974.

Steam engineer Graeme Curran, who has been associated with the vessel for 40 years, said Sydney was lucky to have a 3000-horsepower steamship which was in better nick now than in 1970.

‘‘Sydney has got one and we are ignoring it. It is a crying shame,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s pure maritime heritage.’’

Hopes in recent years of finding a permanent berth have been repeatedly dashed. State government plans for two new wharves next to the Australian National Maritime Museum in Pyrmont were canned several years ago.

In the lead-up to the 2000 Sydney Olympics, the government used the South Steyne as the information centre for the Games. Afterwards, Mr McDermott operated it as a floating restaurant in Darling Harbour until 2016 when it was forced out due to upgrade works.

Mr McDermott, who bought the rebuilt vessel in 1990, said the ideal outcome would be to operate it as a tourist attraction from Manly.

However, Heritage NSW said Manly was not a feasible option due to lack of suitable infrastructure and exposure to the weather.

Graeme Taylor from Action for Public Transport said the South Steyne was one of the ‘‘greatest ferries ever built’’.

‘‘It is truly a vessel of global significance. Overseas shipping experts have come here just to see the South Steyne,’’ he said. ‘‘It is one of the most beautiful vessels to grace Australian waters.’’

Naval architect and maritime historian Mori Flapan said the Baragoola’s recent sinking served as a warning that heritage vessels would face a similar fate.

‘‘Without income to support her ongoing preservation, the South Steyne will be unable to survive,’’ he said.
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Thank you boronia. Good to see Graeme still on the job. Graeme is one of those heritage volunteers who needs to live as long as the object he's caring for. He has by now looked after South Steyne's engineering department for longer than the PJMS Co looked after it.

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I know that the River Class ferries operate mostly on the F3 but do they operate on a particular service? Can't seem to find any on Tripview
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Perhaps just thrown into service if they need an Emerald for F1 in a hurry?
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Just happened to notice four seperate vessels cancelled on F3 in this morning's peak due to staff shortages.
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Does anyone know which bridge specifically is the issue for those new river class ferries which don’t like travelling to Parramatta?
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The problem is not the ferries, but the possibility of people on the top deck. The simple concept of not letting passengers remain there seems to be lost on the "critics".
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I was curious about the mast height of the new ferries, looking at them & seeing the mast always being higher than anyone sitting down. Below is the response from Transdev/Sydney Ferries
Thank you for your enquiry.

The mast on the River Class ferry needs to be lowered when travelling West of Rydalmere wharf only due to low bridge heights.

The upper deck is cleared of all passengers and the mast is lowered electronically, lying horizontal to the upper deck for the transit to Parramatta and return. When the vessel returns to Rydalmere Wharf the mast is then raised back into position and held in place using an electro magnet.
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boronia wrote: The problem is not the ferries, but the possibility of people on the top deck. The simple concept of not letting passengers remain there seems to be lost on the "critics".
Been happening for years when the vessels chartered from Captain Cook Cruises operate the service.
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R44 wrote:Does anyone know which bridge specifically is the issue for those new river class ferries which don’t like travelling to Parramatta?
The same ones that are not a problem on the Captain Cook ferries - Camellia Railway Bridge and Gasworks Bridge.
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I somehow missed out on this, but I notice that F10 was introduced as a ferry replacement service for the Inner West light rail, but https://nswliberal.org.au/Shared-Conten ... -customers says that this is a permanent service?

The F10 also does not accept Opal but accepts bank cards. However, the first page of this F10 timetable (https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 220117.pdf) talking about Opal completely contradicts that.
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