NSW Bus Observations 2022.

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The railway refers to that group of staff as “Swingers”

As you swing from roster to roster
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https://transportnsw.info/news/2022/nor ... y#homepage
North Shore and Box Hill bus service changes from 28 January
Tuesday 18 January 2022

From Friday 28 January there will be minor changes to bus routes across the North Shore and new school routes for Box Hill and St. Ives.

The changes on the North Shore include minor timetable changes for routes 172X, 173X, 591 and additional services and route extension for routes 565 and 585.

New school routes in Box Hill will start from Monday 31 January.

Plan your trip
Route Changes
172X/173X

Minor timetable changes

Minor timetable adjustments on outbound services during the morning peak to improve school travel options

565

Additional services and route extension

Existing morning service which departs from Chatswood will be extended to start from Chatswood West
Additional morning and evening services between Lindfield Station and Lindfield Learning Village
Additional afternoon service departing from Lindfield Learning Village to Chatswood West
Minor timetable changes
25 additional weekly services

591

Timetable changes

Minor timetable change on 1 afternoon service to improve connection for students travelling from St Ives High School

St Ives High services

New school routes

New school services to serve St Ives High
Additional AM and PM services operating between Gordon Station and St Ives High School
25 additional weekly services
New services will begin from Friday 28 January

Box Hill School services

New school routes

New school services to serve new Santa Sophia Catholic College
6 new morning trips
6 new afternoon trips
60 additional weekly services
New services will begin from Monday 31 January
Pity there is no more information about the school route changes.
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Further to Merc 1107 comment on STA rosters and particularly the scrap roster. In STA, the common practice was to remain on the Holiday Relief Roster (Scrap) and apply for a roster based around a particular time period, usually:
AMs, PMs, Mid-Days and Brokens. At many Depots, the lines of work were further classified into Early/Late AMs, Mid-Days etc plus Day-shifts signing on after the morning peak. Of course, there is an extensive set of rules that define the differnt types of shifts.

Applicants were appointed by Seniority and sometimes suitability to a particular roster, which you stayed on for as long as you desired. e.g. Some drivers have worked PM shifts for many years. Often when new timetables were introduced, a number of shifts would be reduced from a roster involving much robust discussion with the Union Reps.

In addition, in days past, there were many exclusive shifts that did the same runs every day, some frivers attracting a fan base. Part-time drivers usually do the same run each weekday.

I am not aware how much these practices have changed, particularly in Region 6 which has been operated the longest under private management.

An Explanation. A line of work consists of 19 shifts in a 28 day period. So a roster with 475 shifts would contain 25 lines of work excluding Sundays that stand alone.

The dark art of rostering and scheduling is a skill that takes a number of years to master. Many of the schedulers at major bus companies learnt their trade at State Transit. Most good roster clerks were excellent bush lawyers and had to know the Award and Local Arrangements well to survive!

Alas, many of the original pencil and rubber Schedulers have signed off from this World with a few of us living in memory lane.
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Thank-you for taking the time to delve deeper and answer my questions about the "scrapheap", and more broadly as to the old STA way of doing things.
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It was explained to me once by a respected veteran driver at M that any tweak you make to a given shift could cause knock on effects to the whole roster. It was like a game of chess.
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Or some would say, like a jigsaw puzzle. :)
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Fleet Lists wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:24 pm https://transportnsw.info/news/2022/nor ... y#homepage
North Shore and Box Hill bus service changes from 28 January
Tuesday 18 January 2022

From Friday 28 January there will be minor changes to bus routes across the North Shore and new school routes for Box Hill and St. Ives.

The changes on the North Shore include minor timetable changes for routes 172X, 173X, 591 and additional services and route extension for routes 565 and 585.

New school routes in Box Hill will start from Monday 31 January.

Plan your trip
Route Changes
172X/173X

Minor timetable changes

Minor timetable adjustments on outbound services during the morning peak to improve school travel options

565

Additional services and route extension

Existing morning service which departs from Chatswood will be extended to start from Chatswood West
Additional morning and evening services between Lindfield Station and Lindfield Learning Village
Additional afternoon service departing from Lindfield Learning Village to Chatswood West
Minor timetable changes
25 additional weekly services

591

Timetable changes

Minor timetable change on 1 afternoon service to improve connection for students travelling from St Ives High School

St Ives High services

New school routes

New school services to serve St Ives High
Additional AM and PM services operating between Gordon Station and St Ives High School
25 additional weekly services
New services will begin from Friday 28 January

Box Hill School services

New school routes

New school services to serve new Santa Sophia Catholic College
6 new morning trips
6 new afternoon trips
60 additional weekly services
New services will begin from Monday 31 January
Pity there is no more information about the school route changes.
It says route extension for 585 but there's no such route.

The route 565 extension for the one morning service is the 8:05 service from Fullers Rd near Bellevue St, Chatswood West.
https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 220128.pdf
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I'm guessing that's to provide direct school travel from Chatswood West to Lindfield Learning Village and return.

It's interesting that puts a Region 12 bus into a Region 7 area.
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Leichardts 8106 is in the annoying new bhp advert that's on channel 7 almost every half an hour
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Busways 5005 in service in nsw livery NOT electric livery on the 791 5002/3/4 still not spotted in service the front of the livery looks dreadful on the element.

Edit 5002 in service on the Sunday 776 in Electrics livery.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:24 pm https://transportnsw.info/news/2022/nor ... y#homepage
North Shore and Box Hill bus service changes from 28 January
Tuesday 18 January 2022

From Friday 28 January there will be minor changes to bus routes across the North Shore and new school routes for Box Hill and St. Ives.

The changes on the North Shore include minor timetable changes for routes 172X, 173X, 591 and additional services and route extension for routes 565 and 585.

565

Additional services and route extension

Existing morning service which departs from Chatswood will be extended to start from Chatswood West
Additional morning and evening services between Lindfield Station and Lindfield Learning Village
Additional afternoon service departing from Lindfield Learning Village to Chatswood West
Minor timetable changes
25 additional weekly services

591

Timetable changes

Minor timetable change on 1 afternoon service to improve connection for students travelling from St Ives High School

St Ives High services

New school routes

New school services to serve St Ives High
Additional AM and PM services operating between Gordon Station and St Ives High School
25 additional weekly services
New services will begin from Friday 28 January

New services will begin from Monday 31 January
Pity there is no more information about the school route changes.
Sounds like the NSW government is pressing ahead with school reopening (for better or worse).
ONE AM 565 will start from West Chatswood, going up to Chatswood Stn, following normal route to terminate at Maquarie Uni (almost a full circle :lol: )
ONE PM "565" will start from the new Lindfield Learning Village (wanker name for a school) & run to West Chatswood via Roseville Station
So the 259 & 256 are not being superseded, merely complimented by a once per day school service in the most archaic form possible. There are so many variations and short workings of the 565, 591 & other region 12 services it might as well be a country town.

Also, have just noticed the Transdev NSW website now just redirects to the Transdev Australia website with a lot of inspirational shareholder friendly BS, instead of maps, school timetables, etc. :(
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Partially true - there is still a page linked to from the home page https://www.transdev.com.au/sydney-bus-timetables/ which provides very limited information including a link to the NSW Transport for NSW timetables homepage where you look for timetables but there does not appear to be a list of routes operated as they had previously. So the only timetables are the Transport for NSW ones as was discussed for Busways in another thread earlier this week.
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I've just been able to look up Transdev school bus timetables through their mobile web site.
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What is their mobile web site???
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Should be the same URL?
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I just googled Transdev and it took me to this .....

https://www.transdev.com.au/solutions/b ... in-sydney/
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From the desk top site you can zoom into the map to find a public route bus.

Also from the schools page you can zoom into the map to find a school bus or start typing the name of your school.
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Just happened to find this on the Land Transport Guru (Singapore) website - https://landtransportguru.net/gml-volvob8l-nsw-1/

Sydney's getting a Volvo B8L/Gemilang Decker soon, though unsure which operator will receive it.
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Who designed that front!!!
A kid with a crayon? :lol: :!: :!:
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Looks like a Massacred Adl Enviro 500 😪

5003/4 have entered service at Penrith 5003 is on the 794 and 5004 was on the bus station 5000 was on the 799
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the front is an eyesore however for anything new it is welcoming none the less.

So who wants to bet this'll be another just one off?
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idontknow556 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:23 am Just happened to find this on the Land Transport Guru (Singapore) website - https://landtransportguru.net/gml-volvob8l-nsw-1/

Sydney's getting a Volvo B8L/Gemilang Decker soon, though unsure which operator will receive it.
Good grief...
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BanksfielderIdiot823 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:50 pm
Good grief...
I'll be right back, I'm just going to get some eye bleach.
I thought losing the Optimus decker for a Bustech CDi was bad enough. Yep, it is an abysmal looking front.
The rest of the bus looks smart. Let's hope subsequent batches get an improved lower clip!
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[attachment=0]PB100687AA.jpgI think that the Gemilang lower front design is not assisted by the large dark blue front bumper; in KMB's all over red livery the front looks quite reasonable,in my humble opinion. The photo below was taken in a hurry from a passing bus, the quality is not good and I have had to "crop" it!
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ScaniaGrenda wrote: the front is an eyesore however for anything new it is welcoming none the less.
Alexander Dennis and Wrightbus who have bodied the majority of Singapore buses in recent years, have similar looking fronts.
ScaniaGrenda wrote: So who wants to bet this'll be another just one off?
Reasonable to assume that the manufacturer or distributor intend on making more than one sale.
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