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moa999 wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:07 pm
You deal with that by having cheap off-peak fares.

The vast majority of peak hour commuters are doing so because they work in office building in CBDd and carparking is insanely expensive ($10k+ a year or $25-80/day in Sydney).

And yet a weekly (5x2) rail ticket is $36.60 from Edgecliff (5km).
Yet only $50.00 from Newcastle (160km) or Gosford (75km) thanks to the weekly cap.
Anybody working in a region (as opposed to in Sydney) will be driven to using the car by any significant increase in train fares. A significant rise in pricing would destroy regional public transport, which already has only a tenuous hold on patronage as it is. That would be a pyrrhic outcome for sticking to a principle.
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Transtopic wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:32 pm
The fact that Professor McNaughton's report on the NSW Government's Fast Rail Proposal, which was completed some time ago, hasn't been publicly released says it all.
Does it? Any government typically waits for a best political opportunity to announce something significant. Like an upcoming election. How long has it been finished for and how do you know?
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moa999 wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:07 pmAnd yet a weekly (5x2) rail ticket is $36.60 from Edgecliff (5km). Yet only $50.00 from Newcastle (160km) or Gosford (75km) thanks to the weekly cap.
I came across an old ticket recently - Sydney to Newcastle return for $17. Was from 1994 with a student discount. Twenty-eight years later same journey on the same type of train is only %16.30 full fare. Shows how much regional fares have come down in real terms.
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tonyp wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:22 am
Transtopic wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:32 pm
The fact that Professor McNaughton's report on the NSW Government's Fast Rail Proposal, which was completed some time ago, hasn't been publicly released says it all.
Does it? Any government typically waits for a best political opportunity to announce something significant. Like an upcoming election. How long has it been finished for and how do you know?
Reported in SMH 29 April, 2021 that Professor McNaughton's report had been completed 18 months prior and had not been publicly released.
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Transtopic wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:03 pm
tonyp wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:22 am
Does it? Any government typically waits for a best political opportunity to announce something significant. Like an upcoming election. How long has it been finished for and how do you know?
Reported in SMH 28 April, 2021 that Professor McNaughton's report had been completed 18 months prior and had not been publicly released.
How dictatorial of them to keep it from the people they are meant to serve. Not very democratic.
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Reports that contain good ideas are usually kept hidden from the public, in case the public agitates for their implementation.
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You make it sound almost justifIed and reasonable Boronia! :lol: :cry:
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As Sir Humphrey once admitted "you don't commission a report until you know what the outcome needs to be".
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After watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TSA64urW3A I am convinced that a 14 meter diameter 11 psi tunnel is cheaper and faster than going on the surface.

Steel rails are so last century.
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Cameron opened up a new interstate depot at Marsden park https://bigrigs.com.au/index.php/2022/0 ... ney-depot/ where it transfers freight to 6 wheeler curtainsiders for local delivery, but an overnight Japanese maglev container train would be so much faster than B doubles they could deliver it the very next morning as well as providing an affordable train between Sydney and Melbourne.
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eddy wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:35 pm

Steel rails are so last century.
They're downright archaic. The aliens here on Earth would even find maglev ridiculous, but the "yew-ess" government won't release the better alternative they no doubt have.
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Swift wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:07 pm
eddy wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:35 pm

Steel rails are so last century.
They're downright archaic. The aliens here on Earth would even find maglev ridiculous, but the "yew-ess" government won't release the better alternative they no doubt have.
Well it is Labor who want to use steel rail and it looks like they may win the next election so in a democrasy the public get the Government they deserve.
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The higher the price of fuel the more economical it makes the Japanese maglev.
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Blair Comley warned business about carbon offsets on the ABC business show 2/3/22 so I sent them my Sydney/Melbourne economically viable proposal.
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I do not know if homecare is still the same but I am sure they would get far more workers if some old people lived in Parrahub so they did not travel in their own time. https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/all-news/2 ... -home-care

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It would attract many old people and carers as it would be the only virus free negative ventilated home in NSW
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Watching the Drum and they are talking about hydrogen but from what I have read it is more efficient to use electricity directly rather than losing 45% by converting and compressing it in green hydrogen. https://youmatter.world/en/hydrogen-ele ... ity-28156/
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With 20 multimodal TBM https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/wp-conten ... MAY-21.pdf it may be possible to connect Sydney to Canberra in one year.
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This is what I put on the International Maglev Board today.

Competition is good but sometimes cooperation is needed when something will be used internationally and as a Japanese maglev is too expensive just for passengers I suggest Japan, China and Australia cooperate to build a maglev from Sydney to Melbourne with passing stations at Canberra and Albury that can earn $20,000,000 every night with overnight containers to subsidise daytime fares saving 5,000,000 tonnes jet fuel per year plus reduce the 700,000 B doubles on the Hume.

20 multimodal TBM like Florence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTrLPx6h3U&t=1s could drive stage one Sydney to Canberra in one year.
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The Dumbarton -Malty railway would have helped reduce trucks if premier Greiner hadn't cut it short.
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Swift wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:41 pm The Dumbarton -Malty railway would have helped reduce trucks if premier Greiner hadn't cut it short.
I really do not agree that it would have stopped many trucks mate, what they need is to bring Wilton to Mt Ousley up to Hume standard.

It should be called Wilton road not Picton road which has hardly any traffic.
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eddy wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:41 pm
Swift wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:41 pm The Dumbarton -Malty railway would have helped reduce trucks if premier Greiner hadn't cut it short.
I really do not agree that it would have stopped many trucks mate, what they need is to bring Wilton to Mt Ousley up to Hume standard.

It should be called Wilton road not Picton road which has hardly any traffic.
He should have at least done the road upgrade then.
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Please post this sort of thing in the Parrahub thread. Three posts including one of mine have been removed from here.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:47 pm Please post this sort of thing in the Parrahub thread. I will remove it from here shortly.
I suppose that is why Musk wants free speech.
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He is given free speech - we certainly do not stop him but we dont want Parrahub in every thread.
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The whole speculative ‘tunnelling from sydney to Melbourne’ epic seems to need its own topic too.

It speaks volumes about the current HSR investigation that there’s virtually nothing being posted in this thread recently that’s more than a pipe dream (excuse the pun) :-(
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