Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

[eddy]

After watching how many university graduates cannot get a job in China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VP94l9VTzM it made me think how cheap the 60 TBM would be while lifting the Australian dollar with China being back on track.

[Frances]

Every time I drive to Canberra, I think it would be nice to take a train instead, but it's an extra 1 hour 30 minutes each way by train. If it was about equal, I might catch a train instead of driving, but not until then.

[eddy]

It would only take 20 minutes in a profitable Japanese SC maglev.
Any money spent on surface rail is wasted money.

[Frances]

It would only take 20 minutes in a profitable Japanese SC maglev.
Any money spent on surface rail is wasted money.

Surely they would only be that fast if they go flat out at top speed all the way? Anyway, for me the most enjoyable part of train travel is leaning back in my seat and watching the countryside go past my window..

[eddy]

Yes,some people like the slow train but do not waste any money on making it a bit faster because the 700 km/h underground one will never get built and China is ready to make high tech stuff with the unemployed graduates now.

[Frances]

My main reason for not catching the train to Canberra is that the train is currently much slower than doing the trip by car. Before catching the train is an option, the time by public transport would have to at least be similar to the time taken to drive, if not quicker. Katoomba is another example. It takes me an hour less to drive there than it would to go by public transport.

[eddy]

Connecting Parrahub to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury would be just as expensive these days even though it would be driven in two years it so it really is up to the Australian population if they want it or not.

Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Mountains_Scheme

[eddy]

Although the ground is soft at Snowy 2 as a layman with a great interest in TBM I cannot understand why they went like a bull at a gate rather than probing ahead and stabilizing it before they tried driving it.

Was the TBM pilot inexperienced because from what I have seen and read it was capable of probing ahead and grouting where needed and they generally start slow anyway until they get the hang.

It makes Parrahub to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury look impossible to drive in two years even though it is easy hard rock.

[eddy]

If 30 separate companies spend $2b each to connect Parrahub to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury then I believe it would be fair they do not pay any tax until they earn a certain amount per annum but it would be up to the federal government how much that would be to encourage investment.

By having two teams of FIFO East Timorese getting paid $5,000 per fortnight or when they achieve 200 m driving in different directions and living in shipping containers at the launch site compound it will remove trucks and planes between Sydney and Melbourne in a few years.

PS.
This is my 5 cents on when they should pay tax.

Because the Japanese SC maglev has nothing touching that needs maintenance it is free from inflation like trucks and planes so by undercutting them a tad in time it would earn 10% p/a of the initial $2b they invested and would start to pay tax.

[eddy]

If oil reaches $200 a barrel connecting Parrahub to Melbourne may have to pay tax if it earns over 10%.

https://capital.com/will-oil-hit-200-wh ... tagflation.

[Frances]

If oil reaches $200 a barrel connecting Parrahub to Melbourne may have to pay tax if it earns over 10%.

https://capital.com/will-oil-hit-200-wh ... tagflation.

That was, as far as I can tell, a worst case scenario forecast from 16 months ago. The price isn't half way there yet as far as I can see.

[eddy]

If oil reaches $200 a barrel connecting Parrahub to Melbourne may have to pay tax if it earns over 10%.

https://capital.com/will-oil-hit-200-wh ... tagflation.

That was, as far as I can tell, a worst case scenario forecast from 16 months ago. The price isn't half way there yet as far as I can see.

But it would take three years to connect Parrahub to Melbourne and anything can happen in that time.

[eddy]

France has just past a law that forces people on to trains instead of plane but they are too slow, infrequent and expensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXdvZCT8sIg

After much thought and watching Brendan Hasty I decided the best way to lift the 5,000 prebuilt units into place is with two very large crawler cranes with one on each side.
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... -unit-2012

[eddy]

The Parrahub 30,000 four metre wide carpark is here.
https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/north ... source=web

[Fleet Lists]

No need to post all this in two threads- so will be deleted from this one.

[boronia]

Sydney to Parramatta is costing $26B +.
Really, how far will they get for $100B ?

[eddy]

Sydney to Parramatta is costing $26B +.
Really, how far will they get for $100B ?

If it is deep enough for long enough it turns to stone but you are comparing double shield hardrock TBM tunnels driven by East Timorese that will live in shipping containers with job and knock to special soft ground TBM with many stations driven by men who get paid by the hour in a city.

I suppose not everybody knows everything about tunnels so I can understand why you come to that conclusion mate.

[Fleet Lists]

He did not come to a conclusion. He asked a question which like any good politician, you did NOT answer.

[eddy]

He did not come to a conclusion. He asked a question which like any good politician, you did NOT answer.

You are right and I will try and put it another way which is used these days, it is like comparing apples to oranges.
I estimate with 60 TBM doing the 600 kilometers for $1b per 10 kilometers $60b but I have made allowance for that to be up to $100b .

[eddy]

Competition is the new buzz word and even in the South Bulli coal mine we used to compete between the two long walls so perhaps we may not only have competition between the 30 separate companies at the launch sites but if FIFO aborigines want to compete with the FIFO East Timor teams it would be a great opportunity for them all to lean new skills.

[eddy]

I know this is earth pressure balance TBM but they still say it is possible to drive 16 x 2m wide rings per day and you will notice at the 2 minute mark they start slowly rather than like Snowy 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UNZNQzmFs

[eddy]

When they banned trailerbuses in 1945 they did not have electric prime movers, Opal cards, air brakes, speed control, ABS, stability control or triaxle trailers.
In the BBC Sewer king in London where there was this ridiculous proposal to build it lengthwise down the Thames now they are doing just that so maybe like the song goes everything old is new again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xxort_R3kY

Trailerbus that takes bikes and mobility scooters, great for Canberra https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/north ... source=web

[PG1]

Eddy,
Thanks for the update.
It appears that your bicycles are obstructing access/egress by allowing only one section of the twin leaf door to be readily available.
There also appears to be only one(1) wheelchair space available - this appears to be contrary to the Disability Accessible transport standards with current standards requiring two(2) spaces.

[eddy]

There are many decisions I made regarding the Trailerbus regarding doors V seats, regarding XPT replacement V town work and even the thought I had that if there is one every two minutes on the main roads perhaps you do not need many doors but it would have to be a decision made by many people.

PS
Thanks for the feedback PG1 and I would be very grateful for further input and as far as the doors go it was the only set I could find on Sketchup warehouse.

[eddy]

Eddy,
Thanks for the update.
It appears that your bicycles are obstructing access/egress by allowing only one section of the twin leaf door to be readily available.
There also appears to be only one(1) wheelchair space available - this appears to be contrary to the Disability Accessible transport standards with current standards requiring two(2) spaces.

Thanks mate, I think if it ever gets built a couple more seats would have to be removed to allow the doors to move back and an extra wheelchair space in case there is three bikes and a mobility scooter.