Sydney Metro West announced

Sydney / New South Wales Transport Discussion
Linto63
Posts: 2809
Joined: Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:44 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by Linto63 »

$1.96bn Sydney Metro West tunnelling contract awarded to a Acciona (of CBD and South East Light Rail fame) Ferrovial joint venture.
User avatar
jpp42
Posts: 1377
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:27 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by jpp42 »

Too bad they couldn't figure out how to put the precast factory in the The Bays area, previously there would have been plenty of spare land in the Rozelle good yards, but it's all taken up with Rozelle Interchange construction I suppose? Looks like the precast segments will have to be trucked all the way from Eastern Creek.
flitter
Posts: 86
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:38 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by flitter »

jpp42 wrote:Too bad they couldn't figure out how to put the precast factory in the The Bays area, previously there would have been plenty of spare land in the Rozelle good yards, but it's all taken up with Rozelle Interchange construction I suppose? Looks like the precast segments will have to be trucked all the way from Eastern Creek.
Isn’t there an existing facility at Eastern Creek?
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

It's noted that there is a X-over proposed east of The Bays, but no X-over immediately west of Hunter Street terminus. An interesting omission, given the expensive retro-fit of the scissors X-ing west of Bondi Junction station.
105550
User avatar
boronia
Posts: 21566
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am
Favourite Vehicle: Ahrens Fox; GMC PD4107
Location: Sydney NSW

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by boronia »

Preserving fire service history
@ The Museum of Fire.
User avatar
jpp42
Posts: 1377
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:27 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by jpp42 »

I wonder what was unsuitable about the Bankstown Airport location. That's much closer to Parramatta than Penrith, and aviation businesses generally benefit from being near each other, so being located at Bankstown should actually be an advantage compared to an off-airport location.
User avatar
gilberations
Posts: 870
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:36 am

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by gilberations »

Not sure if discussed earlier, but is there a reason they chose to not have a station at Rosehill Racecourse, Silverwater or Newington?
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

Two obvious reasons - the capital cost, and the penalty in travel times between major stations.
107084
User avatar
gilberations
Posts: 870
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:36 am

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by gilberations »

Ok, but honestly neither of those make any sense when considering they get to choose the budget, and the times are what they are. It’s missing out on major housing and industrial areas, plus the Rosehill station could be an event day station they could convince the racecourse to pay for
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

BAYSWEST PLANNING.....
The Stage 1 masterplan for "Bayswest" - the White Bay power station precinct - is on display for comment UNTIL 31 MAY - NEXT TUESDAY!!
The arrangements for passenger interchange between Victoria Road buses and MetroWest are appalling! - ie - there isn't any!
See -
https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/bayswest
User avatar
boronia
Posts: 21566
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am
Favourite Vehicle: Ahrens Fox; GMC PD4107
Location: Sydney NSW

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by boronia »

How much need would there be for interchanging?
Preserving fire service history
@ The Museum of Fire.
Transtopic
Posts: 1490
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:10 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by Transtopic »

boronia wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:26 pm How much need would there be for interchanging?
I doubt if there would be any. It would be absurd that passengers would have to interchange from Victoria Rd buses, including from Balmain, just for the last few kilometres into the CBD.
Glen
Posts: 3364
Joined: Thu May 27, 2004 10:54 pm
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by Glen »

What if people are heading west?
User avatar
boronia
Posts: 21566
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am
Favourite Vehicle: Ahrens Fox; GMC PD4107
Location: Sydney NSW

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by boronia »

Same logic applies. why would you take a metro from the CBD to White Bay to catch buses that start from the CBD?
Preserving fire service history
@ The Museum of Fire.
flitter
Posts: 86
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:38 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by flitter »

What about people coming from Victoria Road (Drummoyne, Gladesville, etc.) and then heading west? An interchange would let the avoid going to the CBD for trains - very handy as the bus to Parramatta takes ages!
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

^^^^^^at last - someone who gives it a bit of thought before pressing "Enter"........
110320
User avatar
gilberations
Posts: 870
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:36 am

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by gilberations »

Has there been any discussion or announcements in regards to beyond the CBD? As in where the line will continue to in stage 2?
User avatar
boronia
Posts: 21566
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 am
Favourite Vehicle: Ahrens Fox; GMC PD4107
Location: Sydney NSW

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by boronia »

There have been suggestions of it heading out to Maroubra and Little Bay
Preserving fire service history
@ The Museum of Fire.
tonyp
Posts: 12348
Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:31 am

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by tonyp »

boronia wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 10:06 pm There have been suggestions of it heading out to Maroubra and Little Bay
Via Green Square and Randwick is the plan.
User avatar
gilberations
Posts: 870
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:36 am

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by gilberations »

tonyp wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 10:55 pm
boronia wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 10:06 pm There have been suggestions of it heading out to Maroubra and Little Bay
Via Green Square and Randwick is the plan.
That’s a little… indirect isn’t it? Wouldn’t Eastlakes, Maroobra or Coogee make more sense than Green Square?
grog
Posts: 614
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:09 am
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by grog »

No reason a line needs to be direct if it hits the important patronage generators - people underground won’t k ow the difference and it’s not like travel time would be much more than 15-20 minutes to the end of the line if it is similar speed to the current metro.
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

Re - WHITE BAY BUS-METRO TRANSFERS.

Department of Planning has sought public comment on its "Bays West Stage 1 draft Master Plan" dated August 2022 (11 pages). The Department claims the new document reflects consideration of previous comments (on their May 2022 (?) document).

BUT - on page 6, the new document (again) refers to transfers between Metro and LOCAL buses, That seems to be exactly what the previous document said - ie - "LOCAL" buses, which weren't defined, but had a stop shown right ouside the "Bays" station. There is no commitment to easy transfer between Metro and REGIONAL buses - ie - Victoria Road services to north west suburbs like Chiswick, East Ryde......

There was a Letter to the Editor on this subject in the Sydney Morning Herald of 6 September 2022, under "Tortuous transport".

Public comment on this latest document closes on 8.9.22.
113344
User avatar
jpp42
Posts: 1377
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:27 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by jpp42 »

There is no commitment to easy transfer between Metro and REGIONAL buses - ie - Victoria Road services to north west suburbs like Chiswick, East Ryde......
They aren't going to do anything to compromise the one-seat ride that Sydney commuters so desire.

Diverting via White Bay will drive up travel times to the city, and I suppose they aren't interested in making people transfer to Metro. Look how hard Sydney has fought back on introducing transfers along the light rail, for example.
lunchbox
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:50 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by lunchbox »

^^^^^^We've been thru this exercise already on this thread. Nobody is suggesting trunk buses should be "diverted" anywhere. The design of the $16 BILLION road interchange ramps should accommodate bus stops offering quick walks to the Metro. That's what was suggested in previous submissions and is the very thing which seems to have been ignored this time around.
Transtopic
Posts: 1490
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:10 pm

Re: Sydney Metro West announced

Post by Transtopic »

Can I just add, that the only advantage with providing a more seamless interchange to the metro would be for those who wish to travel from the Balmain peninsular to the west. There are other options for those on the north side of the harbour on the Victoria Rd corridor, or even Drummoyne, which would be more direct. It would be foolhardy to force Victoria Rd bus commuters to interchange to the metro at White Bay to complete the last few kms of their journey to the CBD, in spite of what the metro purists might think. There are also other options to interchange in the CBD itself, depending on their destination. A bit of realism is needed here.
Post Reply

Return to “Discussion - Sydney / NSW”