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There is nothing in the timetables to suggest that outbound services bypass the interchange?Passenger 57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:53 pmThat should never happen in the peak and inbound through services do not go into the interchange, AFAIK. Yes, driver change can take a while.
Apologies, I only meant that driver changes don't happen in the peak. (Well they shouldn't, although given how long the peak is these days perhaps there are some.)Yes, all outbound trips enter the interchanges. I suspect the interchange was designed under the assumption that the majority of bus services would be on the eastern side of the interchange which has a dedicated bus tunnel for entry and exist and that the difficult interchange entry from the west would suffice for the reduced number of through services envisaged at the time. My memory escapes me as to whether there were ever any regular outbound through services that bypassed the interchange post the ESR opening.
Even more obligatory tram fact: this route used to be the busiest tram route in Australia, with trams running as close as 40 second headways in peaks. I don't think we'd be having this present discussion were this still the case! Outrage from the wealthy and influential people living along the line caused the initial attempt at closure in 1950 to be reversed. From this experience, the government learnt to pull down overhead wires the same night as tram routes were closed. Of course the ESR has since made a lot of difference for the inner part of the route and bus services on the outer part have suffered as a spin-off from this.Passenger 57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:15 pm Obligatory tram fact: through services pass by the former site of the Rushcutter's Bay depot for trams and the Potts Point - Town Hall trolley bus.
Going back to the early days of the ESR, I think that inbound services went through the interchange, although at that time a lot of inbound 324/5 services terminated there, esp in peak hours.Passenger 57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:15 pmApologies, I only meant that driver changes don't happen in the peak. (Well they shouldn't, although given how long the peak is these days perhaps there are some.)Yes, all outbound trips enter the interchanges. I suspect the interchange was designed under the assumption that the majority of bus services would be on the eastern side of the interchange which has a dedicated bus tunnel for entry and exist and that the difficult interchange entry from the west would suffice for the reduced number of through services envisaged at the time. My memory escapes me as to whether there were ever any regular outbound through services that bypassed the interchange post the ESR opening.
Obligatory tram fact: through services pass by the former site of the Rushcutter's Bay depot for trams and the Potts Point - Town Hall trolley bus.
I can only imagine the collective fit you'd have from the company WH&S Manager, elected WH&S rep(s), unions and so on in today's world. No room for commonsense it seems...
There is no record of any of your posts having been removed since 24 December but I will remove a number of posts from today to cleanup this unnecessary discussion.
There is plenty of "scope" to put in extra tram services, but seemingly little motivation to do so. While there is no loop to turn trams around, there are sufficient cross overs and turn backs, but most events I've observed here and at the racecourse only got two extra LX runs.Swift wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:15 pm Unlike the old system there seems to be little or no scope to put the extra LRVs required to move the overwhelming influx for events. Bl##### hopeless!
6 artics is pathetic and weak. That's probably all that mob have available after offloading so many before with their penchant for one size fits all mentality of 12 meter rigids.
Sound like a bunch of useless, spineless bureaucrats to me.boronia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:29 pm
I'm sure this should read 9 am - 10 pm in line with previous years. I sent off feedback asking for clarification, but got the usual automated response about "we need more information..location, date, time, direction of travel...." before we will investigate this report.
Calls for roof at Allianz Stadium after Elton John fans drenched at show
Critics say Sydney’s reputation as a world-class city took a beating on Wednesday night after fans at Elton John’s show got soaked by rain, sparking new calls for a roofed venue.
Lachlan Leeming
Daily Telegraph
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January 19, 2023 - 7:05PM
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Drenching rain that required “Rocket Man” Elton John’s piano to be repeatedly wiped down mid-performance on Wednesday night has ignited another push for Sydney to get a roofed stadium.
Concertgoers left sodden from Wednesday night’s concert at the new $828 million Allianz Stadium, which was designed without a roof and opened in August.
Paul Nicolaou, executive director of Business Sydney, said images of rain-soaked patrons had been beamed around the world, hurting Sydney’s reputation.
“Sydney aspires to be a world city and by definition it has the attributes that make it a world class place to live, work and do business,” he said.
He said Sydney’s role “as an international city of note” can’t be realised “while we don’t have the benefit of a single big event stadium where the roof can be closed”.
Mr Nicolaou said images of Elton John’s farewell performance “to rain-soaked patrons … have unfortunately gone around the world, sadly diminishing Sydney and its international stature”.
“Put simply, an all-weather stadium for Sydney is desperately needed to guarantee major events are not subject to the whim of rogue weather systems,” he said.
Aussie music pioneer Michael Chugg, the founder of Chugg Entertainment which helped bring Elton John’s show to Australia said: “Any new stadium should be built with roofs.
“It’d be nice to have one, but I can’t see anything like that in the near future,” he told The Telegraph.
In lieu of that, Mr Chugg said he’d prefer a “brand new entertainment centre” in the city or in the Moore Park precinct.
“There’s only so many acts that can play stadiums, but a lot of acts can play arenas,” he said.
When the stadium opened in August it was billed by the state government as a state-of-the-art facility.
Patrons leaving the venue on Wednesday and attempting to travel back to the eastern suburbs were hit with an extra hindrance — the light rail was suspended at Moore Park for more than an hour due to the rain.
“Unfortunately, the delays impacted customers heading out of the city as they exited the Elton John concert,” a Transport NSW spokeswoman said.
“(Light Rail operator) Transdev apologises for the inconvenience to passengers.”
Calls for a roof over Allianz come after similar pleas for a cover over Accor Stadium at Homebush, where Venues NSW chair Tony Shepherd has previously pushed for a retractable cover costing $120 million.
Mr Shepherd on Thursday acknowledged the NSW Government “has its limits”.
“We would have liked an opening (and) closing roof but we also recognise the government has its financial limits and they have many mouths to feed,” he told The Telegraph.
Sports Minister Alister Henskens said the new Allianz Stadium was “world class”, and the government would continue to look at improvements to sportsgrounds across Sydney.
“We’ll continue to look at ways to enhance our stadium infrastructure and we’ve got a strong record of doing that,” he said.
In the context of Lx services for the ever-growing number of events being held at Moore Park (there have been heaps in the last few months), you have to remember to-date that L1 is still using several Citadis trams in daily service, despite the fact that all the Urbos have been repaired now for several months - so the fleet is really stretched to the max now.boronia wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:31 pmThere is plenty of "scope" to put in extra tram services, but seemingly little motivation to do so. While there is no loop to turn trams around, there are sufficient cross overs and turn backs, but most events I've observed here and at the racecourse only got two extra LX runs.Swift wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:15 pm Unlike the old system there seems to be little or no scope to put the extra LRVs required to move the overwhelming influx for events. Bl##### hopeless!
6 artics is pathetic and weak. That's probably all that mob have available after offloading so many before with their penchant for one size fits all mentality of 12 meter rigids.