alleve wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:50 pm
Doesn't really matter much past data collection seeing as school cards are free travel. So nobody is losing anything from kids not tapping on
What I meant was data collection, because people were discussing the effects of 300 kids per direction per day on the system. If few are tapping there's potentially considerably higher use.
The operator and TfNSW would of course know more - they have many other sources of data eg staff reports, CCTV on board and at stops, weight sensors, etc.
To tonyp,
How much of that was formerly covered by region 9 and
multi region buses into the CBD? Was it worth the cost and mega difficulty to build, legal wrangles with the Spanish company who were the only ones prepared to build it, and years of inconvenience and cost (and in many cases closing down of) businesses?
The project was a shame on the country.
Glen wrote: ↑Region 6 still operates into Region 9.
It does, but as those remaining routes (348, 389, 440) have not changed significantly save for the 348 being cut back to Randwick since the light rail opened. They have little bearing on why the patronage has moved. It was routes M10, M40 and M50 that have ceased in the intervening period.
tonyp wrote: ↑A line with twice the patronage of the Sydney ferry system, or significantly more than the whole of bus region 7 or 8 or the entire interurban train network. If it was a suburban train line it would be the 5th busiest in Sydney. Yeah, definitely a failure by any measure.
That doesn't make it a success. Its success or otherwise is how much patronage over and above the existing bus network it has brought in rather than just abstracted. Region 9 has always had much more patronage than 7 and 8. In 2019, before the light rail opened, region 9 had patronage of 68 million, regions 7 and 8 had 34 and 31 million.
Linto63 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:06 pm
That doesn't make it a success. Its success or otherwise is how much patronage over and above the existing bus network it has brought in rather than just abstracted. Region 9 has always had much more patronage than 7 and 8. In 2019, before the light rail opened, region 9 had patronage of 68 million, regions 7 and 8 had 34 and 31 million.
Success can be measured on more than patronage... Passengers left behind, comfort (in terms of ride smoothness, seat availability and crowding), average wait time, room to accommodate future growth, money saved not having however many buses duplicating one-another and creating journey-slowing congestion, increasing network resilience and so on.
There's no doubt that bus patronage in region 9 has returned at a faster rate than the rest of the bus network. There's likely a few factors at play, but one which hasn't been mentioned is that in addition to the L2 and L3, the south east had a very substantial overhaul of the bus network.
The new bus network features better frequencies overall, and (along with the light rail) provides a comprehensive network of frequent and legible services across the southeast. Try catching the 350 from Bondi Junction, often with seated loads off peak and standing loads during the peak, and consider how much patronage must have grown given it now operates up to three times more frequently than the old 353. Or ride the 370, with standing loads on both weekdays and weekends at times, again recognising that the old timetable (with 1/3 FEWER services per hour during the day for example) could not have accommodated today's patronage.
Who'd have thought it? A more frequent network (particularly off peak/weekends/evenings), one with better cross suburban as well as City services, one which is more legible and one which integrates with other public transport modes actually appears to have stimulated patronage. Knocks your socks off doesn't it?
Finally - if you stand at Kingsford (for example) you'll see quite plenty of passengers transferring between bus and bus, and bus and light rail, especially in the peaks where frequencies on all modes are pretty high. Surely that's a good thing - it's a feature of successful high patronage PT networks that provide significant access for a multitude of origin/destination pairs.
In Transit wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:13 pm
There's no doubt that bus patronage in region 9 has returned at a faster rate than the rest of the bus network. There's likely a few factors at play, but one which hasn't been mentioned is that in addition to the L2 and L3, the south east had a very substantial overhaul of the bus network.
The new bus network features better frequencies overall, and (along with the light rail) provides a comprehensive network of frequent and legible services across the southeast. Try catching the 350 from Bondi Junction, often with seated loads off peak and standing loads during the peak, and consider how much patronage must have grown given it now operates up to three times more frequently than the old 353. Or ride the 370, with standing loads on both weekdays and weekends at times, again recognising that the old timetable (with 1/3 FEWER services per hour during the day for example) could not have accommodated today's patronage.
Who'd have thought it? A more frequent network (particularly off peak/weekends/evenings), one with better cross suburban as well as City services, one which is more legible and one which integrates with other public transport modes actually appears to have stimulated patronage. Knocks your socks off doesn't it?
Finally - if you stand at Kingsford (for example) you'll see quite plenty of passengers transferring between bus and bus, and bus and light rail, especially in the peaks where frequencies on all modes are pretty high. Surely that's a good thing - it's a feature of successful high patronage PT networks that provide significant access for a multitude of origin/destination pairs.
Since the light rail opened in December 2019, principal Kim Jaggar said afternoon congestion at the Moore Park Station had been heavy – particularly on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays.
It would be a short time congestion problem. Inbound loadings on regular services are light around this time, and there are one or two school specials added.
Imagine what it would be like after an event at Moore Park.
Preserving fire service history @ The Museum of Fire.
Well, what do we expect when we replace a tram system that could evacuate 60,000 people in an hour from a venue with one that can evacuate a maximum of about 12,000 people an hour. Surely it's much better than the buses that did the job during the intervening years though? That would have been the real pits.
Having been to a few Swans games at the SCG it works fairly well.
With a bit of learning they've worked out to force everyone via the underpass other than a select few who obviously can't handle stairs who are allowed to walk over the Southbound tracks.
The overpass is only for those going to the high school parking lots or buses on the other side.
They manage the X trams (that use the central turnaround) pretty well, slotting them in as they can.
These teams do a double crossover at Central to take the East most platform
Coming home from the CBD this afternoon, I stopped off at Moore Park to observe the new arrangements.
About 15:10, a conga line of boys emerged from the Anzac Pde school gates, and marched to the bridge, then over and down on to the platform. Two regular services and an LX progressively carted them away. The girls followed 10 minutes later, getting to the platform just as the last boys departed. Another 3 regular services and an LX handled this load.
Four staff were on the platform to supervise the loadings.
Set 029+030 observed operating L3 services with the desto sign locked on PARKING
Preserving fire service history @ The Museum of Fire.
Red "DANGER" stickers are starting to appear on the upper section of the shrouds over the couplers between the Citadis sets. A seemingly slow response to the fatal accident back in May.
Preserving fire service history @ The Museum of Fire.
L3 Kingsford Line weeknight partial closure
Monday 28 August 2023
From 9pm Wednesday 30 to 1am Thursday 31 August, buses will replace L3 Kingsford Line light rail services partially between Central Chalmers Street and Juniors Kingsford due to urgent road works.
During this time, L3 light rail services will continue to run between Central Chalmers Street and Circular Quay.
Replacement bus services:
L3 replacement bus services will run every 10 to 15 minutes from 9pm to 1am. These times may vary depending on road traffic.
Replacement buses will not stop at the following locations:
Surry Hills (towards Central and Juniors Kingsford) - Please use the alternative stop at Central Chalmers Street (approx. 8 minute walk), or walk.
You must tap on and tap off when boarding and alighting replacement buses. Opal readers are located onboard all replacement buses. A standard light rail fare applies.
L1 Dulwich Hill Line and L2 Randwick Line light rail services will continue to run as per normal schedule.
Allow extra travel time and use the Trip Planner or check travel alerts to see if your travel is affected.
L3 light rail services between Circular Quay and Juniors Kingsford will resume as normal from 5am Thursday 31 August.
Walking distance on the L3
Last full L3 light rail services on Wed 30 Aug
L3 replacement bus stop locations
L2 Randwick Line and L3 Kingsford Line weeknight full closures
Tuesday 29 August 2023
From midnight Tuesday 29 to 1am Wednesday 30 August, L2 Randwick Line and L3 Kingsford Line light rail services will not run due to urgent maintenance works.
During this time, use alternative transport including:
Regular bus services between Central Chalmers Street and Randwick or Juniors Kingsford, as no light rail replacement bus services will be deployed.
Trains, regular bus services or walk, between Circular Quay and Central Chalmers Street.
L1 Dulwich Hill Line light rail services will continue to run as per normal schedule.
Allow extra travel time and use the Trip Planner or check travel alerts to see if your travel is affected.
L2 and L3 light rail services between Circular Quay and Randwick or Juniors Kingsford will resume as normal from 5am Wednesday 30 August.
Walk distance along the L2 and L3 lines, including in the CBD
Last full L2 and L3 light rail services on Tuesday 29 August
