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insert_coin wrote:
TP3002 wrote:TP3002's Master Plan

PART 4

Route 30 WSBS-Curtin Uni
Normal route to near Aquinas College then along proposed route with a service going through Waterford local service. Service on trial. Increased frequency.

Waterford residents will ensure you get nowhere TP....it's a long-held pact that will be hard to break.

Fair enough on that one. Some of these weren't well planned. But thanks for your comments insert_coin
Route 31 WSBS-Salter Point
Minor route change around South Perth to coincide with the route 30 extension. Only route 30 will now travel along Labouchere Rd. Route will travel via route 34 to South Perth council office then along South Tce and then follow along route 32 to Thelma St where it will resume normal route to Salter Point. Increased frequency.

Don't see the benefit here???? Route 30-31 are co-ordinated ("coincided") better than at any point than I've ever seen and Lab Rd is very well served as it should be. This is one of the best planning decisions I have seen since privatisation

Route 33 Busport-Karawara-Como
Normal route to Karawara then along the most direct route to Route 32 Terminus.

What for TP? The 34 already takes you to Sth Pth -Como ...why is Melville Pde so in need of this?
Route 34 travels via Freeway. Route 33 travels via Causeway. It will give options to people travelling from the other side of Curtin Uni.


Route 35 Busport-Curtin Uni-Bull Creek
Normal route to Curtin Uni then extends to Bull Creek via Circle Route route and existing route 170.

Is this solely about not having to transfer? Otherwise it seems useless and surplus to existing service levels.
Basically it will give easier access from Curtin Uni to suburbs along the route 170 which travels a different route. Orelse you would have to transfer somewhere along the route. The idea of this is that people travelling from Perth will only go as far as Curtin Uni. If they want to get to Rossmoyne and other suburbs they would have to catch route 170.

Route 36 Busport-Midland
Additional services

They simply are not needed TP.
Not planned well.

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A few of these routes are well planned to my ability.
TP3002's Master Plan

PART 5

Route 37 Route Deleted
Route will be replaced by route 950.

Route 38 Cloverdale-Busport
NO CHANGE

Route 39 Redcliffe-Kings Park
Service will now terminate in Kings Park during the day and Busport during the night. This has been done to replace the route 37 service.

Route 40 Route Deleted
Route will be replaced with route 951 and will extend to the Airport.

Route 41 Bayswater-Busport
Route will have additional services during peak time to cope with demands.

Route 42 Maylands-Busport
Route will have additional services during peak time to cope with demands.

Route 43 Bayswater-Busport via Maylands
Route will have additional services during peak to cope with demands aswell as in conjunction with routes 45(NEW) 48 and 55 a service along Guildford Rd will operate every 15mins during off peak Monday to Friday and a 20min frequency on Saturdays with 43 departing Peninsula Rd/Guildford Rd on Sundays with a transfer available to either route 48 or 55. At the apropriate time.

Route 44 Bayswater Stn-Busport
Additional day services with the introduction of a limited Saturday service to relieve boardings off Beaufort St to give people living south of Beaufort St the opportunity to catch route 44. These extra services are a trial only.

Route 45 NEW ROUTE Bayswater Stn-Busport via Guildford Rd
New route operating along Guildford Rd which will operate during Monday-Friday Daytime in combination with route 43,48 and 55 and will operate the 15min period that 43,48 and 55 don't. A bit like the plan along Beaufort St.

Route 46 Morley-Busport (After hours service)
Operations as normal with a few additional after hours service on Weekdays and Saturday which will replace some 48's operating at the moment after 7pm.

Route 47 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr

Route 48 Morley-Busport
Additional services with the conjunction of off peak 15min frequency with all other Guildford Rd off peak services. connections with route 43 on Sundays applies too.

Route 49 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr

Route 50 Morley Circular Service
Additional early morning and late evening services.

Rotue 51 Caversham-Bassendean
A new peak service travelling via existing route 337 to Benara Rd then to current Caversham Terminus. This is in response to patronage levels along routes 63 and 337.

Route 52 Midland-Morley
Additional peak services.

Route 55 Bassendean-Busport
Additional services with the conjunction of off peak 15min frequency with all other Guildford Rd off peak services. connections with route 43 on Sundays applies too. More info on Guildford Rd available by looking at routes 43 and 45.

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TP3002 wrote: Route 33 Busport-Karawara-Como
Normal route to Karawara then along the most direct route to Route 32 Terminus.

So basically it will travel via 31 back to Thelma and then continue on to the 32 terminus?

Problem is that the 33 doesn't really serve Curtin...But I appreciate what you're trying to do with your "options"!

Route 35 Busport-Curtin Uni-Bull Creek
Normal route to Curtin Uni then extends to Bull Creek via Circle Route route and existing route 170.

Sorry, I actually read that wrong TP; but still I don't see how it could work efficiently in tandem with an hourly 170 on a fairly weak-catchment route (170)....but I like the "options" :D
Thanks for bearing your thoughts mate...you're a true believer 8)

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I like the 15min Guildford Rd proposal - it's about time. I've often wondered why Domestic airport services aren't run this way as an alternative too - it's less distance and quite frankly QUICKER!
For eg route 40 (in keeping with the numbering scheme for Guild. Rd) could traverse this section and "beef it up" in conjunction with say, your route 45 proposal.

There is more demand at times for Guildford Rd than GEH.
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We need to get serious here, it's ridiculous (sorry rediculous for those so inclined) and get these routes out there.
We should extend the 311 to Meekatharra, the 36 to Laverton, the 253 to Albany and the 328 to Sydney. Let's be proactive!
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TP3002's Master Plan

PART 6

Route 58 Noranda-Morley
No Change

Route 59 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr

Route 60 Morley-Busport
Frequency changed. Weekdays will operate every 15mins off peak and every 10mins on peak. Saturdays will operate every 20mins and Sunday and Public Holidays will operate every 45mins. Just to add in all services connecting at Morley will be changed so they will still connect at Morley.

Route 61 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr

Route 62 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr. Additional services will operate during Weekdays.

Route 63 Beechboro-Morley
Route extension to Bennett Springs Dr. Additional services will operate during Weekdays due to passenger demand.

Route 64 Warwick-Mirrabooka-Morley
Additional services departing on Weekdays and Sundays.

Route 65 Noranda-Morley
No Change

Route 66 Morley-Busport Limited Stops Service
Same as route 60 conditions apply except no Weekend or day service. Just an Improved frequency during PEAK.

Route 67,68,69 Mirrabooka-Busport
Refer to Part 2 I think (by memory) for more info.

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Where would routes to the airport via Guildford Road cross the river?
Tonkin Highway (and then to the airport via the access near the Tonkin-Great Eastern interchange)?
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jonwil wrote:Where would routes to the airport via Guildford Road cross the river?
Tonkin Highway (and then to the airport via the access near the Tonkin-Great Eastern interchange)?
That's correct mate....Tonkin goes straight into the domestic arseport. Let's face it....it is really only a supplementary service (as it is on GEH).
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TP3002 wrote:TP3002's Master Plan
PART 6

Route 60 Morley-Busport
Frequency changed. Weekdays will operate every 15mins off peak and every 10mins on peak. Saturdays will operate every 20mins and Sunday and Public Holidays will operate every 45mins. Just to add in all services connecting at Morley will be changed so they will still connect at Morley.
Yeah agreed with the extensions to Bennett Spr Dve....it's logically expansive.

I like the return of the 15min frequency...it's been slowly making a comeback (37-98-99-100-400-407-501-507-920-940 to name most) not to mention the many multi-numbered 15 min (or even 10) freq routes (30-31, 72-75 etc etc etc).

Now open up your imagination TP.....let part 7 rip!
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I've just written the 900 series routes and they will come out last. Some of them will replace existing routes. Anyway here is Part 7.

TP3002's Master Plan

PART 7

Route 72 Busport-Cannington
No Change

Route 75 Busport-Canning Vale
Hour Frequency service from Busport-Canning Vale on Sundays and Public Holidays.

Route 78 WSBS-UWA
Change not needed

Route 79 WSBS-QEII
Change not needed

Route 81City Beach-East Perth
No Change

Route 84 City Beach-WSBS
Route will now terminate at WSBS.

Route 85 City Beach-East Perth
Route will operate Monday-Friday after Hours, all Saturday and all Sunday. Service will now operate every hour on Sunday and in combination with route 95 services along Cambridge St to Perth services will operate every 30mins.

Route 91Wembley Downs-WSBS
Route will now terminate in WSBS.

Route 92 Wembley Downs-East Perth
No Change

Route 95 Wembley Downs-WSBS
Route will now terminate at WSBS. Refer to 85 for info on Sunday services.

Route 96 NEW ROUTE Subiaco-Kings Park-Subiaco
Route will travel via Existing 97 route then will continue straight into Kings Park and will loop around also connecting with new 900 series route from Kings Park to the Airport.

Route 97 Subiaco-UWA
Service will operate every 15mins off peak, every 10mins on peak and Saturday and Sunday will operate every 30mins.

Route 98/99 Circle Route Clockwise/Anti Clockwise
Service will operate every 10mins Monday-Friday, Peak will operate every 7mins and Saturday and Sunday will operate every 20mins and introducing 24hours service operating every 30mins from 8pm-5:30am. Also two new circle routes will operate. Routes 198 and 199. More info soon. These routes will operate outer suburbs.

If a anyone wants more info on services let me know.
PART 8 coming tonight.
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Route 78 WSBS-UWA
Change not needed

Route 79 WSBS-QEII
Change not needed
How about a mini-circle between UWA and Perth (79 clock, 78 anti-clock)?
Route 81City Beach-East Perth
No Change

Route 84 City Beach-WSBS
Route will now terminate at WSBS.

Route 85 City Beach-East Perth
Route will operate Monday-Friday after Hours, all Saturday and all Sunday. Service will now operate every hour on Sunday and in combination with route 95 services along Cambridge St to Perth services will operate every 30mins.

Route 91Wembley Downs-WSBS
Route will now terminate in WSBS.

Route 92 Wembley Downs-East Perth
No Change

Route 95 Wembley Downs-WSBS
Route will now terminate at WSBS. Refer to 85 for info on Sunday services.
Ok what's the logic here TP? A staggered EP service? (81-92)
Remember, they tried curtailing these services at WSBS in the late 70s (or early 80s) but put 'em back to EP. Now it's even busier along Wellington St.
Route 96 NEW ROUTE Subiaco-Kings Park-Subiaco
At first I didn't get this, but it's actually not a bad idea. Subi is pretty touristy with shoppers and KP could do with a route make-over.
Route 98/99 Circle Route Clockwise/Anti Clockwise
Service will operate every 10mins Monday-Friday, Peak will operate every 7mins and Saturday and Sunday will operate every 20mins and introducing 24hours service operating every 30mins from 8pm-5:30am. Also two new circle routes will operate. Routes 198 and 199. More info soon. These routes will operate outer suburbs.
Whew! 30 mins all night! If ever there was a 24 hour service needed this would be one of 'em. It pretty much links all and sundry but 30 mins? Would it work? Would it be <shitword>sustainable</shitword>?
If a anyone wants more info on services let me know.
Post it up bros
PART 8 coming tonight.
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insert_coin What do you mean when you were commenting on Circle Route? Too many services at night or not enough? I had thoughts about a loop service 78/79 but I haven't got a good plan yet.

TP3002's Master Plan

PART 8

Route 100 Canning Bridge-Curtin University
Additional Peak services

Route 101 Canning Bridge-Curtin University
Additional weekday services aswell as a new Saturday service to cope with demand.

Route 102 WSBS-Cottesloe
No change

Route 103 East Perth-Fremantle
Additional services where needed.

Route 104 NEW ROUTE Claremont-Cottesloe Beach-Cottesloe Day Night Link service
Operate along existing 102 route to Cottesloe. Train connections apply with this service. Service is there to serve Cottesloe Beach as an alternative to getting home. TRIAL ONLY

Route 106 Fremantle-Busport
Route will be renumbered to the 900'series. A full report on 900 series soon.

Route 107 Fremantle-WSBS
Route will be renumbered to the 900'series. A full report on 900 series soon.

Route 111 East Perth-Fremantle
Route will be renumbered to the 900'series. A full report on 900 series soon.

Route 140 Curtin Uni-Como-Booragoon-Fremantle
Route change. Route will operate every hour on Weekdays extending from Booragoon to Curtin Uni past the terminus of route 148. Route will operate to give options to those wanting to get from anywhere along existing route 140 to anywhere on the other side of the freeway

Route 150 Booragoon-East Perth
Route will be renumbered to the 900'series. A full report on 900 series soon.

Route 160 Fremantle-East Perth
Route will be renumbered to the 900'series. A full report on 900 series soon.
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TP3002's Master Plan

PART 9

Route 170 Bullcreek-Busport
No Change

Route 176 Wilson-Busport
Increased peak services

Route 177 Bentley-Busport
Route will now extend to Canning Bridge. Passengers will be able to access Victoria Park and Berwick St without having to change buses.

Route 179 Bull Creek-Busport
Additional services to operate with new Saturday services.

Route 198/199 NEW ROUTE Outer Circle Route
This service will depart from Fremantle with 198 going clockwise and 199 going anti clockwise. Route will serve Cottesloe Beach, Mt Claremont, Challenge Stadium,Floreat Forum,ECU Churchlands,Westfield Innaloo,Stirling,Balcatta,Mirrabooka Square,Morley,Bayswater,Belmont Forum,Oat St,Curtin Uni,Westfield Carousel,Thornlie,Market City in Canning Vale,Murdoch Uni,Adventure World,Munster,Phoenix Park Shop Ctr and back to Fremantle. Service will operate every 15mins from Fremantle-Belmont Forum on 198 and return on 199 and between Belmont Forum and Fremantle route will operate every 30mins. PEAK will all operate every 14mins. Saturday,Sunday and Public Holidays will operate every 30mins.

Comment on Outer Circle Route welcomed.

PART 10 Soon. Maybe tonight or tomorrow.
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Your "outer circle route" idea sounds good but I would bypass some of the inner areas that already have lots of links (it doesn't need to go to Curtin or Murdoch or Canning Vale or Thornlie IMO, all 3 have lots of links already)

I would take it from Belmont Forum via Abernathy Road, Leach Highway, Albany Highway to Cannington then from there via Albany Highway to Maddington then Burslem Drive, Warton Road, Jandakot Road, Berrigan Drive (or alternately via Warton Road, Armadale Road, Beelier Drive, Hammond Road, North Lake Road to take in Cockburn Central) then North Lake Road past Adventure World, Phoenix Road then either Stock Road-Spearwood Avenue-Rockingham Road or straight down Phoenix Road (depends on whether the Phoenix Road-Rockingham Road intersection is close enough to Phoenix Park to work) then up Rockingham Road, Douro Road then straight up South Tce into Fremantle Station.
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I would approve this plan > http://www.abp.unimelb.edu.au/gamut/pdf ... june09.pdf Page 152+ has the route proposals bus,train and tram!. I agree with most of it except getting rid of the circle route...

I like TP3002 master plan looking forward to your 900 serious...
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WEB 13 62 13 Master Plan

PART 10

Route 200 NEW ROUTE Cannington-Carousel-Beckenham-Cannington
New Loop service operated by Beckenham Depot linking Carousel and Beckenham with Cannington. Service operates every 30mins during day and 15mins in PEAK in a anti clockwise direction.

Route 201 Route re-arrangement Cannington-Beckenham-Carousel-Cannington
Refer to route 213 for alternative route info on old route 201.
New Loop service operated by Beckenham Depot linking Carousel and Beckenham with Cannington. Service operates every 30mins during day and 15mins in PEAK in a clockwise direction.

Route 202 Cannington Circular
No Change

Route 203 Cannington Circular
No Change

Route 205 Cannington-Bullcreek
Additional service departing Cannington and Bullcreek in the afternoon.

Route 206 Murdoch Uni-Cannington
No Change

Route 207 Murdoch Uni-Cannington
No Change

Route 208 Murdoch-Cannington
No Change

Roue 210 Busport-Gosnells
No Change

Route 211 Busport-Gosnells
No Change

PART 11 TONIGHT :lol:
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WEB 13 62 13 Master Plan

PART 11

Route 212 Southern River-Busport
Service will now depart from Southern River and will operate limited stops along Albany Hwy. Improved frequency with Saturday and Sundays to have a 30min frequency.

Route 213 Beckenham-WSBS
Service will now travel from Beckenham and travel to Cannington Stn via Carousel then out via existing 201 route to its terminus where it will resume normal route to Perth.

Route 214 Route will be renumbed to the 900 series and will operate from Murdoch along existing route 519 to Harrisdale then to Huntingdale to follow along existing route 214. This service will operate 15mins on peak, 30mins off peak and hourly on Weekends.

Route 220 Armadale-WSBS
NO CHANGE

Route 223 Thornlie-Huntingdale
NO CHANGE

Route 228 Thornlie-Gosnells
Additional Sunday services.

Route 229 Carousel-Maddington
Route Deleted and replaced with 230.

Route 230 Carousel-Kenwick-Maddington
Route has been altered to replace route 229.This service will operate everyday on a limted service.

PART 12 DUE 09/11/09

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Those posts about the system are great, they remind me of that other guy on the Adelaide forums posting his ideas for a complete redo of the Adelaide system.
Only your ideas are a lot more practical and some of them could be implemented without needing extra route kms from what I can see.
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jonwil wrote:Your "outer circle route" idea sounds good but I would bypass some of the inner areas that already have lots of links (it doesn't need to go to Curtin or Murdoch or Canning Vale or Thornlie IMO, all 3 have lots of links already)

I would take it from Belmont Forum via Abernathy Road, Leach Highway, Albany Highway to Cannington then from there via Albany Highway to Maddington then Burslem Drive, Warton Road, Jandakot Road, Berrigan Drive (or alternately via Warton Road, Armadale Road, Beelier Drive, Hammond Road, North Lake Road to take in Cockburn Central) then North Lake Road past Adventure World, Phoenix Road then either Stock Road-Spearwood Avenue-Rockingham Road or straight down Phoenix Road (depends on whether the Phoenix Road-Rockingham Road intersection is close enough to Phoenix Park to work) then up Rockingham Road, Douro Road then straight up South Tce into Fremantle Station.

Yeah I like this as a modification of TP's plan.
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Rather than triple-banking (!!) the 7:36 336T (and the 7:04 is also at least double-banked), I would spread those 5 or so runs out, as it's ridiculous to have 5 buses go past in the space of 35 minutes, followed by nothing for the better part of an hour. I guess something like on the quarter-hour from 7am to 8am would be good start, with some runs marked school-days-only. Obviously the exact times would depend on the Morley schedule, and the 337 would also be adjusted to suit.

An improvement to off-peak services would also be nice. Sometimes my employer likes to make me work on a public holiday, and it amuses me no end that the 336 schedule means taking the first bus gets me to work around 9:30, and I have to leave at around 4:30 to get to town in time for the last bus. :P

(Yes, I live in an area serviced only by the 336.)
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leahcim wrote:Rather than triple-banking (!!) the 7:36 336T (and the 7:04 is also at least double-banked), I would spread those 5 or so runs out, as it's ridiculous to have 5 buses go past in the space of 35 minutes,
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UQB003 wrote:lol: It would be wicked from a bus photographers POV!!!
Well, if you're a big fan of Renault rigids, then yeah. Otherwise, I think the appeal would wane rather quickly. :roll:
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Ok TP....let's bring on the 900s.....where dey at?
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In Regards the following practical bus route services by former TP 3002 lol, i would like to add my own opinions: After the recent discontinued service of the Northbridge NightRider service, this will allow patrons and party goers of heading home without the hefty costs of an taxi simply by introducing Train replacements services after 2am, simular use over in sydney,

Introducing NightRider Bus Services "The easier alternative to getting home after a big night"

NEW ROUTES
Route 650 Perth Train Stn to Midland Train Stn via Guilford Rd.
Frequency every hourly from 2:00am until last service 5:00am,departs from Wellington Street travels via Exisiting 905 Replacement Route, this also connects with the 655 from Bassendean Train Stn.

Route 651 Perth Train Stn to Armadale Train Stn via Albany Highway.
Operate only on Friday and Saturday Nights.
Frequency every hourly from 2:15am until last service 4:30am, travels via Existing 907 Replacement Route, however deviates right onto Great Eastern Highway (Burswood) then on to Shepparton Rd, then left on Albany Highway servicing Suburbs such as East Victoria Park, Bentley,Cannington Train Station then resume's normal route of 907 Replacement Route to Armadale. This Service also connects with Route 213 from Cannington Stn.

Route 652 Northbridge (Milligan St) to Scarborough Beach via Glendalough Train Stn.(Formely Scarborough NightRider)
Operate only Friday and Saturday Nights
Frequency every hour from 1:00am until last service 5:00am, Departs from Taxi Rank Milligan Street Northbridge, then travels right on Roe Street,Left on Newcastle St. Servicing the suburbs of Leederville,Mount Hawthorn and Glendalough Station (For Train Connections from Perth at 01:21,02:17) then resumes normal route via Scarborough Beach Rd to Terminus at Scarborough Beach.

Route 653 Perth Train Stn to Clarkson Train Stn. LIMITED STOPS
Operates only Friday and Saturday Nights
Frequency every half hour from 12:00am until last service 4:00am
Travels from Roe Street (In front of Platform Nine) , then express to Stirling Stn via Mitchell Fwy # As Route 452 servicing between Perth and Glendalough.
This also allows passengers to use this service as an alternative incase they miss the last train through to Clarkson.

Route 654 Esplanade Bus Port to Mandurah Train Stn. LIMITED STOPS
Operates only Friday and Saturday Nights
Frequency every hourly from 1:00am until last service 4:00am, this service will travel via the old former 867 Route.

Route 655 Bassendean Train Stn to Ellenbrook
Operates only Friday and Saturday Nights
Frequency every 30mins 11:00pm to 1:00am, then hourly until 4:55am.
This will use the exisitng route 337 and combination of 336 and terminating Main St Before The Promenade .

There you go, my future plan for the extension of nightrider bus services after dark, its just gone 2:00am lol.
Feel free to comment or any suggestions.

Please dont critise me of my preposal has i can be logical!
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