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A New Year is upon us; Congratulations!! We all made it through the old one :D

Reviewing 2024.....
The Port Dock line and Port Dock interchange opened in August. All bus services to Port Adelaide were rerouted to service the new interchange.
The Flinders Medical Centre interchange in front of the Hospital was closed, and relocated onto Flinders Drive. Arrangements for buses servicing the interchange were changed as "U-Turns" were no longer provided for at the new facility.
South Rd and Flagstaff Rd buses had a major timetable revamp as a result. 'F' buses removed from both corridors with all day 'T' buses on South Rd and peak hour limited stop 'X" buses on Goodwood Rd (effectively 'T' buses). Route 720 was rerouted onto Anzac Hwy and 248/245 services were rerouted onto South Rd/Sir Donald Bradman Dr.
Introduction of a major service revamp to Mt. Barker, including a freeway express 'Go-Zone' to Mt. Barker. Scania hybrid buses were transferred from Torrens Transit and Busways to Southlink to allow the increase in service, with the Railway Terrace meal area being set up as a depot for Southlink.
A Yutong electric bus, numbered 7032 underwent two month trials at Busways, Torrens Transit and Link SA (Murray Bridge).
Bustech have had some financial difficulties, resulting in negligible deliveries from them. A small number of Volgren Scania hybrids are making their way to Southlink - which will allow the return of some of their borrowed buses back to their rightful custodians.

Please post your South Australian transport observations here that wouldn't seem to warrant their own thread.

I hope that all have a prosperous and happy new year for this 2025!
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3505 Scania Hybrid with a Volgren Optimus body was delivered to Aldgate on the 2nd of January, and 3508 on the 3rd. 3506 and 3507 still at Scania

Presumably they will enter service soon, I’d say at the very latest it will be the start of the school term.
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Was a very nice surprise to see the last surviving O-Bahn Merc 1542 out in service today. I thought it had been retired
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Route 506 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:13 pm Was a very nice surprise to see the last surviving O-Bahn Merc 1542 out in service today. I thought it had been retired
Yes, was good to hear it powering up Murrell Road this afternoon, as opposed to struggling up like the Scania's and MAN's seem to do.
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5707 has been returned to Torrens and 5720 (K320HB with Bustech body) is now in service with Torrens.
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3501 and 3502 were swapped with 2860 and 2865 today. The two artics are now numbered 3369 and 3382 respectively, and I presume the ex-Hills hybrids will soon be renumbered into the Busways range.
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Has anyone seen 3402 (the Bustech CDI) in service recently?? - I live just off Glen Osmond Road and see the other double decker on a regular basis, in fact, I rode on it last week.
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Tim Williams wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:06 am Has anyone seen 3402 (the Bustech CDI) in service recently?? - I live just off Glen Osmond Road and see the other double decker on a regular basis, in fact, I rode on it last week.
It is current off the road with engine issues.
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Thanks for the post!!
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South Australian premier Peter Malinauskas announced today (Sunday 16 March 2025) that they're reserving rail corridors to cater for future housing developments. These corridors are from Seaford to Sellicks Beach, Gawler to Roseworthy and Gawler Central to Concordia. See https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AUqgUSZ7z/

The Gawler to Roseworthy and Gawler Central to Concordia corridors are both existing rail corridors and would need substantial work done to them to accommodate passenger trains. The Seaford to Sellicks Beach corridor would be a 'new' corridor, and was previously announced by the government as being reserved for a extension of the Seaford railway line. As to WHEN services commence on any of these routes, that remains to be seen.
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Now those of us who are still waiting for the line to Mount Barker or beyond I think we should look at the reality.

They did a feasibility study which is summarised in the full Mount Barker and Adelaide Hills Transport Study by DIT. The cost would be substantially high and it requires a journey time of less than 60 minutes to be favourable to the locals. This is where it becomes intereting if you can find somewher the old BITRE report in 1980s about the Belair-Bridgewater line they also looked at extending that line to Mount Barker juntion/Mount Barker itself and the problem was as some of you are aware back then and today (to a certain extent) the bus can arrive into the heart of the city quicker than the train would- given the location of ARS.

The reality is that Mount Barker is around 35 kilometres by road to the CBD but rail is around 55 kilometres.

Yes I know some people out there want road no matter what but when you consider that the Mount Barker Go Zone is the first Go-Zone that has limited stops as well as operates frequently and carried before the Go-Zone started:
Average Weekday- May 2024:- boardings- 980 (T840), Saturday 335(864)- Sunday 410 (864F).
After Go Zone to Mount Barker implemented-
Weekdays- 2,000 boardings (T800) 110 (T863), 400 boardings (T801), Saturdays- 630 (T800), 30 (T801), Sundays- 375 (T800).
Please note the T801 is the all stops from Mount Barker and Aldgate and Glen Osmond then limited stops between Glen Osmond and the City.

Source: www.data.sa.gov.au

I will leave these statistics for your intepretation but I have heard that the majority (a very high percentage) during the weekday travel in the peak however intepreak is moderaltely used and on Saturdays and Sundays I have observed that a lot of trips carry only the driver up and down the freeway from Glen Osmond to up beyond the Bridgwater exit.

Question remains those who want rail have they actually done their research to see that the fastest curves on the Adelaide Hills Line is 55 kph other than that they are quite low in various places.

These are my thoughts what do you think?
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Admet75 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:30 am Now those of us who are still waiting for the line to Mount Barker or beyond I think we should look at the reality.
The reality of one of the fastest growing regions in the country, and what will be SA’s second city in the not too distant future.
Admet75 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:30 am Yes I know some people out there want road no matter what but when you consider that the Mount Barker Go Zone is the first Go-Zone that has limited stops as well as operates frequently and carried before the Go-Zone started:
Average Weekday- May 2024:- boardings- 980 (T840), Saturday 335(864)- Sunday 410 (864F).
After Go Zone to Mount Barker implemented-
Weekdays- 2,000 boardings (T800) 110 (T863), 400 boardings (T801), Saturdays- 630 (T800), 30 (T801), Sundays- 375 (T800).
Please note the T801 is the all stops from Mount Barker and Aldgate and Glen Osmond then limited stops between Glen Osmond and the City.

Source: www.data.sa.gov.au

I will leave these statistics for your intepretation but I have heard that the majority (a very high percentage) during the weekday travel in the peak however intepreak is moderaltely used and on Saturdays and Sundays I have observed that a lot of trips carry only the driver up and down the freeway from Glen Osmond to up beyond the Bridgwater exit.

Question remains those who want rail have they actually done their research to see that the fastest curves on the Adelaide Hills Line is 55 kph other than that they are quite low in various places.

These are my thoughts what do you think?
You haven’t quoted 840X patronage so your comparison is meaningless. You also didn’t state which month of T800 patronage you are comparing it with. And if you’re using Sunday 864Fs why not Saturday too? Considering the 801 on weekends has replaced the 861, 864F, and T843 I’d have hoped you added data from all of them together before making comparisons.

My anecdote vs yours is that almost every weekend T800 between 9-6 carries 20+ people consistently. As I regularly see and experience T800s every day (not just sporadically) I consider myself quite qualified to state my anecdotes. Of course out of hours is quieter, but I’d say there has been a healthy growth in patro age nonetheless. Weekdays are fairly similar too, coupled with often crush loads at peak hours. DIT obviously see this too, you’ll note the addition of 2 artics to the hills fleet last month.
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Sorry my mistake I was comparing may 2024 vs October 2024 but excluding school holiday days and public holidays
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:03 pm
Admet75 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:30 am Now those of us who are still waiting for the line to Mount Barker or beyond I think we should look at the reality.
The reality of one of the fastest growing regions in the country, and what will be SA’s second city in the not too distant future.
Admet75 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:30 am Yes I know some people out there want road no matter what but when you consider that the Mount Barker Go Zone is the first Go-Zone that has limited stops as well as operates frequently and carried before the Go-Zone started:
Average Weekday- May 2024:- boardings- 980 (T840), Saturday 335(864)- Sunday 410 (864F).
After Go Zone to Mount Barker implemented-
Weekdays- 2,000 boardings (T800) 110 (T863), 400 boardings (T801), Saturdays- 630 (T800), 30 (T801), Sundays- 375 (T800).
Please note the T801 is the all stops from Mount Barker and Aldgate and Glen Osmond then limited stops between Glen Osmond and the City.

Source: www.data.sa.gov.au

I will leave these statistics for your intepretation but I have heard that the majority (a very high percentage) during the weekday travel in the peak however intepreak is moderaltely used and on Saturdays and Sundays I have observed that a lot of trips carry only the driver up and down the freeway from Glen Osmond to up beyond the Bridgwater exit.

Question remains those who want rail have they actually done their research to see that the fastest curves on the Adelaide Hills Line is 55 kph other than that they are quite low in various places.

These are my thoughts what do you think?
You haven’t quoted 840X patronage so your comparison is meaningless. You also didn’t state which month of T800 patronage you are comparing it with. And if you’re using Sunday 864Fs why not Saturday too? Considering the 801 on weekends has replaced the 861, 864F, and T843 I’d have hoped you added data from all of them together before making comparisons.

My anecdote vs yours is that almost every weekend T800 between 9-6 carries 20+ people consistently. As I regularly see and experience T800s every day (not just sporadically) I consider myself quite qualified to state my anecdotes. Of course out of hours is quieter, but I’d say there has been a healthy growth in patro age nonetheless. Weekdays are fairly similar too, coupled with often crush loads at peak hours. DIT obviously see this too, you’ll note the addition of 2 artics to the hills fleet last month.
Sorry my mistake I was comparing may 2024 vs October 2024 but excluding school holiday days and public holidays.
840X weekdays around 440 (May 2024),
864F- weekday 650 (May 2024), Sat- 350, Sun- 110
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