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MiCCROwavE_OVEN wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:13 pm But unlike the 342, the 553 should, at least in theory, be serving a very important purpose.
The 553 is just a school bus for Cheltenham Girls and other schools in Beecroft and up the line.

It's the remnant of the old 181 from Parramatta to Beecroft of Harris Park days.

The M2 stop at Oakes Rd functions well as a park'n'ride, kiss'n'ride and walk up interchange.
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I’ve been loving the rollout of functional PID’s in buses recently, such as on the ZEB’s. Makes catching a bus in an unfamiliar area way easier.
One thing I’d change with the design though is for it to indicate what street the bus is currently on as well as the upcoming bus stop cross streets.
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mandonov wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:13 am I’ve been loving the rollout of functional PID’s in buses recently, such as on the ZEB’s. Makes catching a bus in an unfamiliar area way easier.
One thing I’d change with the design though is for it to indicate what street the bus is currently on as well as the upcoming bus stop cross streets.
I've only seen this on some/most of the Transit Systems R6 Volgren buses to date - yes it would be nice to see on other buses, including those ex-Stationlink buses that just simply show the time as 00:00 currently.

Nice to show current street at least, but wonder if there's issues doing this as I've not even seen it in other countries where such a system operates on buses [from memory anyway].
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I was in New Caledonia for a holiday, and all buses there were fitted with live GPS tracking on PIS screens. Meanwhile, our wayfarers often can’t locate themselves resulting in of 8-10% trips being untracked.
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Randomness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:32 am I was in New Caledonia for a holiday, and all buses there were fitted with live GPS tracking on PIS screens. Meanwhile, our wayfarers often can’t locate themselves resulting in of 8-10% trips being untracked.
Then there is the issue of a driver console failure or the console freezing mid shift which means that the bus can’t be tracked along with the opal readers being out
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I saw Transit Systems Smithfield's m/o 8510 on the T80 today (previously fleet number 1293 I believe), it is a Volvo B7RLE Custom CB80 vehicle dating from 2013 and re-fitted with LED destination displays. It seems that the flipdot program was applied as the front display was extremely squashed and practically unreadable - but the rear display was fine.

In contrast similar vehicle 1301 is also fitted with LED displays that work perfectly fine. I'm not sure whether 1301 also had retrofitted displays, but considering that many other operators had LED display pilot vehicles (8461 for CDC Hillsbus, 2569 and 5060 (BX99NP) for STA and 1189 for Busways) I'm inclined to believe that 1301 was delivered new with LED displays.
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Region 7 Busways North West operator identification number that is displayed in the web browser when downloading PDF timetables has been changed form 27 to 17.
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Randomness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:32 am I was in New Caledonia for a holiday, and all buses there were fitted with live GPS tracking on PIS screens. Meanwhile, our wayfarers often can’t locate themselves resulting in of 8-10% trips being untracked.
Congratulations on finding another country that does things better than Australia ever will with the crooks who run it. A bit like shooting fish in a barrel though.
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Stu wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:00 am Region 7 Busways North West operator identification number that is displayed in the web browser when downloading PDF timetables has been changed form 27 to 17.
Which, unfortunately, has broken the relevant links on the Busways website - https://www.busways.com.au/nsw/plan-you ... timetables
I've noticed this on occasion with other operator websites in the past, so I very much doubt it's an operator issue.
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Noted CDCNSW Region 4 m/o 9337 (a Scania K94UB Volgren CR228L) running out of service down Windsor Road this morning with the rear engine bay hatch hanging open. The bus sounded normal and seemed to be operating fine - perhaps it just randomly swung open somehow due to loose couplings.

I checked AnyTrip and it was heading to West Pennant Hills to commence a 652X to the City - prior to that it was on a school special.
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^ When the bus is stationary and the rear engine bay door is open, the engine normally becomes inherently isolated and disabled from being activated. This purpose of this safety function is to prevent injury to a staff (presumably a mechanic). When a mechanic is working in the rear engine bay, the engine cannot be switched on from inside the drivers cabin. The engine can only be switched on from within the rear engine bay with an on/off switch and/or button configuration.

When the fuel door opens on a CNG powered bus whilst the it is in motion, the entire bus shuts down automatically. The purpose of this power isolation function is for when buses have being refueled, the bus is not driven away from the bowser with the fuel hose still attached to the bus.
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NSW budget 2024: Western Sydney to get new bus routes, more services amid system overhaul

More than $90 million will be spent to fix ageing tech that makes buses disappear from trip planning apps.
James O'Doherty

Daily Telegraph, June 14, 2024 - 9:16AM

Western Sydney communities will get new bus routes and more services while more than $90 million will be spent on a technology overhaul to stop commuters waiting for buses that never arrive.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Tuesday’s budget will include $139.5 million to modernise the state’s bus fleet and provide more services in booming suburbs.

Of that, $91 million will go towards a system overhaul which will bust “ghost buses” — where cancelled services still appear in trip planning apps, leading to commuters expecting a bus that will never arrive.

From later this year, work will begin to update 4000 Opal-enabled buses and 1000 in outer metropolitan areas, in an unprecedented upgrade to the Sydney’s bus fleet.

The buses will get on-board screens and audio announcements to help passengers get off at the right stop.

Ageing tracking technology will also get a much-needed overhaul to ensure that trip planning apps can accurately show real services.

The funding makes good on the recommendations from a report to the government which found that more than 10 per cent of buses are invisible to public transport phone apps, creating confusion for passengers and eroding trust in the network.

Tuesday’s budget will also include $24.7 million over four years for more services, new routes, and more Zero Emission Buses in Western Sydney.

The new routes and extra services will benefit commuters in Penrith, St Marys, Mount Druitt, Marsden Park, Blacktown, Eastern Creek and Arndell Park.

Those suburbs will get more services more often, and new routes connecting passengers to schools, shops and employment hubs.

There will also be more connections to train and metro stations.

It comes after Bus Industry Taskforce chair John Lee warned that some parts of Sydney were becoming “Uber-only” suburbs due to a dire lack of public transport options.

An extra $23.8 million will also be spent over the next two years on a “Medium Term Bus Plan” to set a strategy for how to fix bus connections in growing suburbs, mainly in Sydney’s west.

Premier Chris Minns said the “vital” investment will give Western Sydney commuters better access to public transport services.
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Transport Minister Jo Haylen said the upgrades will help fix the “cornerstone” of Sydney’s public transport system.

“We’ve done a lot of positive work with buses since coming to government but there’s still more to do – and that’s what this investment will begin to deliver, especially for communities in our growing West,” Ms Haylen said.
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I'd say there are at least three reasons for "ghost buses":

1. The service is operating, but it is not transmitting location data. It could turn up somewhere around the scheduled time.

2. The service is operating, but has been involved in some incident which has delayed it en route, so it will remain "x minutes" away from the search location; the operator has not issued an alert.

3. The service has been cancelled, but the operator has not updated the system to show this.
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Sometimes the wayfarers stop transmission when a driver change happens and a new driver signs on.

Sometimes the wayfarer can’t locate itself, so its location is shown somewhere random (like a T80 service inside Prospect Reservoir resulting in light priority not activating).

Sometimes a bus doesn’t show if it hasn’t reached its first stop, which can often be an issue with extremely long delays

I’ve seen drivers resolve these by smacking the machines, which does actually sometimes work.
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boronia wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:01 pm 1. The service is operating, but it is not transmitting location data. It could turn up somewhere around the scheduled time.
Which is exactly what I got with the route 320 bus home this afternoon that didn't show any real-time location - the bus that showed up (8135) had no destinations up, the Opal readers were all stuck on a red X screen (though the driver's console was working and showing the "next stop") and even the "Bus Stopping" light wouldn't come on though a chime did sound when a passenger pressed the button, suggesting some sort of electrical issue on that bus but still enough to operate the bus itself.

Driver had printed A3 signs up that simply showed the route and destination (albeit in red, so not as easy to see).
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tonyp wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:39 pm
NSW budget 2024: Western Sydney to get new bus routes, more services amid system overhaul

More than $90 million will be spent to fix ageing tech that makes buses disappear from trip planning apps.
James O'Doherty

Daily Telegraph, June 14, 2024 - 9:16AM

Western Sydney communities will get new bus routes and more services while more than $90 million will be spent on a technology overhaul to stop commuters waiting for buses that never arrive.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Tuesday’s budget will include $139.5 million to modernise the state’s bus fleet and provide more services in booming suburbs.

Of that, $91 million will go towards a system overhaul which will bust “ghost buses” — where cancelled services still appear in trip planning apps, leading to commuters expecting a bus that will never arrive.

From later this year, work will begin to update 4000 Opal-enabled buses and 1000 in outer metropolitan areas, in an unprecedented upgrade to the Sydney’s bus fleet.

The buses will get on-board screens and audio announcements to help passengers get off at the right stop.

Ageing tracking technology will also get a much-needed overhaul to ensure that trip planning apps can accurately show real services.

The funding makes good on the recommendations from a report to the government which found that more than 10 per cent of buses are invisible to public transport phone apps, creating confusion for passengers and eroding trust in the network.

Tuesday’s budget will also include $24.7 million over four years for more services, new routes, and more Zero Emission Buses in Western Sydney.

The new routes and extra services will benefit commuters in Penrith, St Marys, Mount Druitt, Marsden Park, Blacktown, Eastern Creek and Arndell Park.

Those suburbs will get more services more often, and new routes connecting passengers to schools, shops and employment hubs.

There will also be more connections to train and metro stations.

It comes after Bus Industry Taskforce chair John Lee warned that some parts of Sydney were becoming “Uber-only” suburbs due to a dire lack of public transport options.

An extra $23.8 million will also be spent over the next two years on a “Medium Term Bus Plan” to set a strategy for how to fix bus connections in growing suburbs, mainly in Sydney’s west.

Premier Chris Minns said the “vital” investment will give Western Sydney commuters better access to public transport services.
More Coverage

Transport Minister Jo Haylen said the upgrades will help fix the “cornerstone” of Sydney’s public transport system.

“We’ve done a lot of positive work with buses since coming to government but there’s still more to do – and that’s what this investment will begin to deliver, especially for communities in our growing West,” Ms Haylen said.
Blah, blah … blah, blah, blah.
These governments just keep trotting out this crud and expect us to swallow it 🙄🙄

1. The ageing tech ain’t really that old.
I think it’s their way of covering up the fact that it’s not working properly because it hasn’t been maintained correctly.

2. On board screens and announcements is a good thing.

3. An ‘eye watering’ $24 mill for new routes, more services and ZEBs. Okay, so given that each ZEB costs close to a $mill, and given that there are ‘new routes and extra services’ that would probably equate to about five new ZEBs per year … UH-HUH 🙄

4. Although they haven’t played this card this time yet, just remember when they say that ‘an amazing 50 new services per week are added to a route or area’, it just means that they’ve added one bus and one driver per week.🙄🙄
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stajourneyman wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:31 am

4. Although they haven’t played this card this time yet, just remember when they say that ‘an amazing 50 new services per week are added to a route or area’, it just means that they’ve added one bus and one driver per week.🙄🙄
Totally agreed. If there was to be an actual decent, new frequent route to operate 0600-2400 at 10 min intervals peak and off peak, you would get 216 services per day (6 services per hour x 2 for both directions x 18 hrs of operation), which on a per-week basis would be a little more than 1500 services (1512 to be more exact).

So 50 new services a week would be an absolute drop in the bucket.
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stajourneyman wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:31 am Blah, blah … blah, blah, blah.
These governments just keep trotting out this crud and expect us to swallow it 🙄🙄

1. The ageing tech ain’t really that old.
I think it’s their way of covering up the fact that it’s not working properly because it hasn’t been maintained correctly.

2. On board screens and announcements is a good thing.

3. An ‘eye watering’ $24 mill for new routes, more services and ZEBs. Okay, so given that each ZEB costs close to a $mill, and given that there are ‘new routes and extra services’ that would probably equate to about three new ZEBs per year … UH-HUH 🙄

4. Although they haven’t played this card this time yet, just remember when they say that ‘an amazing 50 new services per week are added to a route or area’, it just means that they’ve added one bus and one driver per week.🙄🙄
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The current incarnation of Region 2 and Region 3 will most likely be the next regions to receive funding for a long overdue network review.
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swtt wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:57 am
stajourneyman wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:31 am

4. Although they haven’t played this card this time yet, just remember when they say that ‘an amazing 50 new services per week are added to a route or area’, it just means that they’ve added one bus and one driver per week.🙄🙄
Totally agreed. If there was to be an actual decent, new frequent route to operate 0600-2400 at 10 min intervals peak and off peak, you would get 216 services per day (6 services per hour x 2 for both directions x 18 hrs of operation), which on a per-week basis would be a little more than 1500 services (1512 to be more exact).

So 50 new services a week would be an absolute drop in the bucket.
In surprised the pollies don't say that's 2500 extra services p/a!!
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Stu wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:17 pm The current incarnation of Region 2 and Region 3 will most likely be the next regions to receive funding for a long overdue network review.
Has the area that now makes up region 2 even had a network review since the 2008 region 2 and region 15 network reviews
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More custom Elements 1s have entered service at Busways Penrith 5020 is on the 791 MO8740 5018 on the 799 MO8733 and 5019 now showing at Transit Systems Leichardt even though it hasn't been spotted in Service at Busways.
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:32 am Has the area that now makes up region 2 even had a network review since the 2008 region 2 and region 15 network reviews
Not all at once, but there have been incremental changes, such as the introduction of routes through Oran Park (840, 858, 896); modifications to Smeaton Grange services (897); modification & introduction of routes to Gregory Hills & Gledswood Hills (841, 850, 898, 899); routes introduced and diverted via Leppington line train stations (855, 856, 859, 861, 868, 869); renumbering of Menangle & Razorback routes (47 & 49 now just 49); frequency enhancements on some routes (e.g. 887); modifications to Spring Farm services (893, S17); changes to Eagle Vale services (877, 878); withdrawal of some services (e.g. S9) and so on. The network now is quite different to how it was in 2008.
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