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Transit Systems from Adelaide and Sydney will have a fleet buses and drivers based in Canberra in case the trams fail within the first 4 weeks of operation.
A number of drivers will be from their Adelaide Torrens Transit Contract along with some of their buses, Transit System have done this before when they won the region 3 and 6 in Sydney.
Torrens Transit supplied a number of operators to get those contracts up and running. :evil:
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ScaniaK320 wrote:Transit Systems from Adelaide and Sydney will have a fleet buses and drivers based in Canberra in case the trams fail within the first 4 weeks of operation.
A number of drivers will be from their Adelaide Torrens Transit Contract along with some of their buses, Transit System have done this before when they won the region 3 and 6 in Sydney.
Torrens Transit supplied a number of operators to get those contracts up and running. :evil:
Since the trams merely replace existing bus services wouldn't they already have enough buses in Canberra anyway, so they could just revert to pre light rail operation until whatever problem was resolved? It seems a very long distance to import resources for an eventuality that has a very small likelihood of happening.
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Not that simple. Bus routes and timetables are being massively restructured. New suburbs are being serviced and many bus stops closed.

I'm also not sure how this can be done legally. ACT requires bus operators to be accredited and drivers to have Driver Authorities. Transit Systems is not accredited for route service operations in ACT.
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G\In that case its good to see common sense defeating mindless bureaucracy for once.
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I'm still somewhat perplexed. The likelihood of a new system having a major failure is almost unknown, but in any case what would make it different from a normal bustitution? During the life of the system there is always something that will bring it to a halt, typically a motorist driving into a tram. Where will TC get its buses and drivers from every time there is a bustitution? Not from Adelaide or Sydney that's for sure.
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I fully agree and I am really shocked that this is happening, I was sure ACT had enough buses to cover this should the Light Rail fail.
The buses in Adelaide are being inspected by the SA Government as we speak for the trip to ACT.
As for the driver authorities, as long as you hold one in your home state you are able to drive anywhere in Australia with fare paying passengers, you would only need to change over your authorities if you intend to reside full time in another state, otherwise how do the coach companies get on when travelling interstate on tours and charters?
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As mentioned above, it appears to be a restriction on running route services in ACT. Other operators running charters is a different situation.
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ScaniaK320 wrote:Transit Systems from Adelaide and Sydney will have a fleet buses and drivers based in Canberra in case the trams fail within the first 4 weeks of operation.
A number of drivers will be from their Adelaide Torrens Transit Contract along with some of their buses, Transit System have done this before when they won the region 3 and 6 in Sydney.
Torrens Transit supplied a number of operators to get those contracts up and running. :evil:
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https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... paid-week/
Canberra light rail passenger numbers down in first week

Andrew Brown
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The first week of paid tram travel saw almost 30,000 fewer boardings than the weekly average during the first month of free services.

Transport Canberra points to the Reconciliation Day public holiday impacting figures in the first week of full fares, and the "three coldest days of the year".

There were fewer passengers on the Canberra light rail in its first paid week. Picture: Sitthixay Ditthavong

In the first week of paid services between May 27 and June 2, there were 77,668 boardings across the week excluding the public holiday Monday, compared to the average of 106,279 boardings in a week in the free trial.

Figures show an average of 14,876 boardings on the light rail a day in the first paid week, after a month-long free trial.

However, it represents a drop of almost 2500 passengers, from the average of 17,297 boardings in the four-week free period.

Despite the drop, a spokesman for Transport Canberra said more data was needed to determine trends on the light rail network and it was too early to determine if passengers were declining.

"Historically, we see reduced patronage across the network due to poor weather and holidays," the spokesman said.

"The week of May 27 to June 2, we experienced three of the coldest days of the year and Monday was a public holiday."

More services had been added to the light rail network during the four-week free period due to increased passenger demand.

One extra service was added to the morning peak while three more were added to the afternoon peak.

The Transport Canberra spokesman said the number of services running since the introduction of paid fares had not changed.

"Service and capacity levels are continually monitored and any increase to service levels will be made as the need is identified," the spokesman said.

Overall, Transport Canberra says boardings had been better than anticipated, already topping numbers expected in two years time.

"Transport Canberra is very pleased light rail is so popular. We're already hitting our 2021 business case passenger numbers."

While passenger numbers on the light rail may have been down in first week, Transport Canberra has said there was an increase in people using public transport in Canberra across the whole network compared with the same time last year.

Overall, more people are using buses and trams put together than used the buses this time last year.

Passenger journeys have increased 9 per cent this year compared with the same point in 2018, while boardings are up 13 per cent.

"Journeys across the entire new network are up 12 per cent," the spokesman said.

"Transport Canberra expects that patronage will continue to increase week on week from previous years."
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I've seen a lot of cab videos of this sort of thing from around the world, but Canberrans seem to raise the definition of stupid to new heights. Like most of them seem to be aware of the tram but go in front of it anyway.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14225
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One year of Canberra light rail - 4.2 million passengers.

https://www.facebook.com/TransportCanbe ... 101379606/
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tonyp wrote:One year of Canberra light rail - 4.2 million passengers.

https://www.facebook.com/TransportCanbe ... 101379606/
Is that around what they expected it to carry?
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I'm not familiar with that detail but I believe Canberra bus services altogether carry about 20 million per year and Canberra commuting is overwhelmingly car dominated. In that context, I'd say it is off to a healthy start.
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More information on what stage 2A of Canberra's light rail network will look like as public consultation opens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-28/ ... /102151712
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Canberra Liberals' proposed public transport plan would see a busway replace light rail with locally built electric buses (ABC)

While the route of the first light rail section made sense with Northbourne Avenue being a punish with its elongated traffic light phases, can never work out the need for the Woden extension. This is a part of Canberra that even during peak hour is never congested.
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Not sure on Canberra Population, but one thing I can assure once the Light Rail is up and running, people would use it over buses. I also don't see Canberra making buses, haven't we've learnt from past experiences in Tasmania with Bustech, NSW and Volgren at Tomago and even Custom Denning in NSW. Unless you force operators to order one unform standard bus like in Perth, companies would just come and takr government money and run when it dries up
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Canberra doesn't have much choice in deciding between bus and LR, so far there are no direct competing services.

The bus market in other states is much higher than in WA. Multiple suppliers spreads the load and keeps prices competitive.
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Five Years of Light Rail, from the Public Transport Association of Canberra. The original report can be found here.
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