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boxythingy wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:01 pm It suggests in some places, in the English language, nice and clearly, that there is an official contingency plan in place which is disclosed in an transparent way and published publicly in a manner that is detailed, in order and precise. I was trying to shed some light on whether Transport NSW had something analogous, if any.
I remember having to catch a train in Victoria on a cool summer day in December 2022 when it was about 20 degrees, on which that an "extreme heat timetable" was operating because of a weather forecast from a week earlier.

It was scheduled to take around 30 minutes longer than normal, which in reality meant the train operated at full speed between stations, then had ridiculously long dwell times at every station to catch up to the timetable.

I'm glad they don't do that in NSW.

On a different subject, has anybody else noticed that whilst the Airport line is shut this weekend, there are no Revesby trains operating, hence all trains to Macarthur via Sydenham are stopping at all stations.

I remember last year during a similar shutdown that Revesby trains were operating as usual, albeit diverting via Sydenham. Not sure what the reason is for the service reduction this weekend, but it's a long slow trip to Macarthur.
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BroadGauge wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:59 pm I remember having to catch a train in Victoria on a cool summer day in December 2022 when it was about 20 degrees, on which that an "extreme heat timetable" was operating because of a weather forecast from a week earlier.

It was scheduled to take around 30 minutes longer than normal, which in reality meant the train operated at full speed between stations, then had ridiculously long dwell times at every station to catch up to the timetable.
In Perth I believe they have several 'tiers' of speed reductions which are put in place when the temperature actually reaches specific points.
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Reports of a train Fire In Emu Plains online on a Penrith Fb group.

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Seven News reported on the problems with the new interurban sets such as brakes overshooting positions at platforms and doors opening unexpectedly.
The driver's cab looks very cluttered. You'd think it would look more streamlined these days. The XPT's driver layout looks more ergonomically minded.
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Crew doors flew open on new intercity trains during trial

Crew doors on one of NSW’s new intercity trains opened suddenly as it was travelling through the Blue Mountains last month in the latest fault besetting the multibillion-dollar fleet.

Internal documents obtained by the Herald show scores of defects – including braking problems – in the new double-decker trains that have been undergoing testing ahead of plans for the first of them to enter service in the second half of 2024, more than four years later than originally planned.

Records of the incidents show doors on the driver’s compartment of a new intercity train opened by themselves after it had passed Lapstone station in the Blue Mountains on November 11.

It triggered an alarm of a major fault and forced the driver to immediately bring the train to a halt on the Blue Mountains line.

The leaked documents reveal braking problems have been a repeat complication with the new trains.

In an incident in early September, a train’s electric brake temporarily dropped out at Strathfield and it ended up travelling further than the driver intended.

In another incident, staff warned that braking problems need to be fixed urgently to reduce the risk of a train passing a red stop signal.

CCTV cameras freezing or presenting blurry images, messages on digital displays for passengers dropping out, and problems with air conditioning and digital train radio systems are among the other faults detected.

Coalition transport spokeswoman Natalie Ward said regional passengers were constantly waiting for the government to prioritise their transport services, but instead all they got were delays and excuses.

“The minister’s job is to get transport assets working for commuters – not for the unions and the bureaucrats,” she said.

A spokesman for Transport Minister Jo Haylen said the point of the testing was to identify issues before service, and the government would ensure passengers “get to travel on a safe and reliable” train fleet.

“It took the new Minns Labor government just five months to get the Mariyung fleet on the tracks doing testing – something the Liberals couldn’t do in five years,” he said.

A Sydney Trains spokeswoman said the express purpose of testing was to identify any defects, software or functionality issues within the complex systems and investigate their root cause and remedy them in a timely manner.

“With any delivery of new fleet there will be issues, and these will be fixed by the supplier in accordance with the defect and issues management processes prescribed in the contract at no cost to Transport for NSW,” she said.

The new intercity fleet was at the centre of a long-running dispute between the previous Coalition government and the Rail, Tram and Bus Union.

The stand-off was settled in November last year when the-then government agreed to union demands to modify the trains to allow guards to monitor passengers getting on and off at stations. The modifications to cameras, screens and emergency doors on the 62 trains will cost $235 million, taking the total bill for the new fleet to almost $2.8 billion.

Sydney Trains chief executive Matt Longland said last month that physical modifications to the trains were under way while the “real work” on software changes such as to CCTV screens would happen early next year because it was dependent on the manufacturer.

Longland has said the first of the new trains would enter service on the rail line from Sydney to the Central Coast in the second half of next year.

Under original plans, the trains were to start services on lines from Sydney to the Central Coast and Newcastle in late 2019, and to the Blue Mountains and Lithgow the following year.
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Can't help but think there is a lot of exaggeration of facts in this report.
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boronia wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:04 am Can't help but think there is a lot of exaggeration of facts in this report.
Having the Crew Door Randomly is a huge problem as sometimes there are other people beside the driver or guard being in the cab during operation, and especially how these trains will cross a a lot of bridges and caves, this is a huge safety factor where the trains shouldn't be running until resolved.

The issue with brakes mentioned, I personally don't see it as a major issue but an issue enough to be probed and resolved. EP Brakes are electrical, and when they cut out, Automatic Brakes jump in. The main difference is EP is smoother and once brakes are applied, the whole train brakes is applied at the same time while Automatic Brakes when applied, The first carriage brakes are applied followed by the second carriage then third and so on, taking at least 30 for all of the train to have the same amount of brakes applied compare to EP is instant. Whiles drivers are trained to drive in both braking systems, EP is driven regularly while Auto Brakes are only to be driven until end of service where they can get into the sheds to be fix, not problematic but not ideal as Auto Brakes will cause delays throughout the timetable if it's left running all day.

Other things like Radio communication, AC or DVA faults happen all the time. By testing, these faults that appear hopefully can be resolved before service, but will most likely happen well after testing like the Mills, Waratahs and even Tangara have faults.
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boronia wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:04 am Can't help but think there is a lot of exaggeration of facts in this report.
Disagree, almost everything in this report is binary - either it happened or it didn't. If all of it happened, then there's not really any room for exaggeration. If it is true that the crew door just opened on its own, that is incredibly serious.
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Coalition transport spokeswoman Natalie Ward said regional passengers were constantly waiting for the government to prioritise their transport services, but instead all they got were delays and excuses.

“The minister’s job is to get transport assets working for commuters – not for the unions and the bureaucrats,” she said.
Funny the Coalition is complaining about the train's faults when the Coalition is the one that ordered the trains. Seems a lot smarter for them to just shut up and not give anyone the opportunity to embarass them again.
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They're politicians - what else are they going to do? Sit down and apologise for their mistakes? Not a chance.

About the issues with announcements dropping out - that happens a lot on the North West Metro as well, particularly in the former ECRL. From experience, the announcement before Macquarie Park Station is meant to announce "If you are going to Macquarie Shopping Centre, remain onboard until the next station", but most of the time I've been on the Metro, it cuts out halfway, and sometimes the announcement cuts in the middle of "Macquarie Park".

Same story goes with trackwork announcements - also worth noting is that at Norwest Station, when Chatswood bound trains leave the platform, the doors closing chime continues to play for about ten seconds.
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Religious preachers at Penrith station again who do we report these parasites to?

Rail replacement coaches running between Penrith and Strathfield to supplement T1 to Olympic Park and T3 Services to City via Bankstown. Bmt running Blacktown - Mountains only.

Rover Coaches 22 of cessnock was on Rail Replacements in Penrith.

No Cdc vehicles or Transit Systems buses noted on RR just coaches.

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"Religious preachers" are best ignored. Walk past them; they soon get despondent and move on.
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Reported in DT today that a new entrance to Mascot Station has opened on the western side of Bourke Rd.
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Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but has anyone heard about the final report for the Sydney Trains Review, which is supposed to be completed by now, along with the recently released Metro West Review?
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A friend of mine sent a video of Macquarie University having evacuation sirens blasting due to the rain yesterday. Water had leaked through the roof and onto the platforms. I was told that escalators stopped, next train screens went red and Opal readers were shut.

Despite this, Metro continued to run. Does anyone know of any similar problems with the ECRL stations when they were under Sydney Trains?
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I recall not long after the line was opened, there were news reports of water ingress flooding tunnels and when then Premier Nathan Reese was asked about problems he rather bluntly replied would you rather we didn't build them at all?
That to me gave away that our state leaders had no real vision they intended to follow. We have been forced to play catch up since and it's proven far more costly than if we just consistently kept up with planning requirements.
It sounds like second rate construction is biting us again.
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Thanks for that, while it did rain heavily yesterday, I wouldn’t consider it enough to leak through to the ECRL. Probably as a result of cheaping out on drainage and waterproofing as you said.
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Previously, set types reported on apps were based on the working timetable. This has now been updated to show actual set type, AnyTrip having an “altered train type” warning (you can see this on 31-L at the moment). TripView still states WTT type in bold, but actual set type in lowercase.
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https://southwestvoice.com.au/free-mobi ... liverpool/

Why is money even being spent on something like this? It only encourages loitering and crowding around railway station concourse areas.

I can imagine it may be useful distraction for instances where, for example, a consistently poorly timed connecting bus service leaves just as a railway service arrives and someone has to wait 30min for the next bus service, or help out with low battery levels during a major delay, but people will just end up fighting over limited charging cables in an already irritating situation.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/t ... -commuters

Has anyone received any messages arising from this initiative? What do they say, any text or screenshots?
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Would the train derailment that happened around the NSW-SA border today delay the Indian pacific or would they have it cleared up by Tuesday or whenever the IP is due to run past the area where the derailment happened
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Another careless truck driver.
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:45 pm Would the train derailment that happened around the NSW-SA border today delay the Indian pacific or would they have it cleared up by Tuesday or whenever the IP is due to run past the area where the derailment happened?
The IP would get diverted via Victoria if the line is still blocked.
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Useless oxygen soaking trash truckie charged.
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