PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2023

[Enviro 500]

3338 on 177.

[Zidanehartono]

3338 on 177.

Has been at Southern River for over 2 months now alongside Buses 3341 - 3345.

[Enviro 500]

1694 on 39.

[Off The Rails]

The first 907T of the Armadale Shutdown was 3078, with 3 pax on board.

Cheers!

[esperanceguy47]

A little bit after 11 this morning, the 811 to Castletown stopped along The Esplanade, to pick up a person in a wheelchair. The driver lowered the ramp but not the bus & the wheelchair in question wasn't electric, so the poor passenger had to wheel himself UP to get into a low-floor accessible bus! Methinks wheelchair commuters aren't so very common here...*

* which they may be, but the one maxi taxi we did have, stopped operating years ago.

[Merc1107]

Sometimes the kneeling function on a bus is faulty - somewhere like Esperance it presumably gets very little use, although a diligent operator would be checking it before leaving the yard.

Some of the diesel OC500LE's I've encountered also have a strange delay/dumb logic in the kneeling system, if the bus is lowered before the doors are opened, it will spring back up when they open. On others the kneel won't work for a significant period after the doors have been opened.

[Off The Rails]

1429 sighted twice today, on a 907 into Perth and a 245 to Armadale - safe to say this has made the drop down to SR.

Cheers!

[HL7619]

Does anyone know why the NHS are back in service because I Have seen 3 on bus routes this last week 1155 on a route 442, 1849 on a route 444 and 1229 on a route 442 Aswell
and anyone know what bus series i would be more likely to be on next year when i do 10 bus routes in the 1 day
routes are here
442 22xx, 24xx, 25xx, 26xx, 29xx, 32xx or 33xx
387 21xx, 22xx, 24xx, 25xx
990 22xx or 24xx
422 22xx or 24xx
403 22xx or 24xx
460 28xx, 29xx or 32xx
467 21xx, 26xx, 28xx or 29xx

I Know I would be more likely to be on a 26xx on a blue cat and purple cat

[TransRegional]

Does anyone know why the NHS are back in service because I Have seen 3 on bus routes this last week 1155 on a route 442, 1849 on a route 444 and 1229 on a route 442 Aswell
and anyone know what bus series i would be more likely to be on next year when i do 10 bus routes in the 1 day
routes are here
442 22xx, 24xx, 25xx, 26xx, 29xx, 32xx or 33xx
387 21xx, 22xx, 24xx, 25xx
990 22xx or 24xx
422 22xx or 24xx
403 22xx or 24xx
460 28xx, 29xx or 32xx
467 21xx, 26xx, 28xx or 29xx

I Know I would be more likely to be on a 26xx on a blue cat and purple cat

All the NHs are back in service for the 18 month Armadale Line shutdown which started today.

[Merc1107]

Does anyone know why the NHS are back in service because I Have seen 3 on bus routes this last week 1155 on a route 442, 1849 on a route 444 and 1229 on a route 442

TransRegional's post below is the short answer to your question.

All the NHs are back in service for the 18 month Armadale Line shutdown which started today.

The longer answer is that a large number of additional buses are required for the duration of the shutdown, the Government's media statements indicated about 100 additional buses would be on the road during the shutdown.

A number of O405NHs have been retained since withdrawal from regular service for this reason, perhaps among other reasons (e.g. with more spare buses available, Transperth contractors are presumably in a better position to supply buses for emergency rail replacement), and can provide the surge capacity needed for the shutdown for very little cost (along the lines of the cliche "it works and it's paid for") as they've already been replaced by other buses. Compare this to acquiring an equivalent number of new buses, which not only would heighten the costs of the project, but cause some disruption to fleet replacement in the long run depending on how many buses are ultimately needed with any revisions to the bus network after the project finishes.

My guess would be that over the Summer, the use of NHs will diminish somewhat as you'll have the double-whammy of school holidays - both for primary/secondary students, plus universities, and with much less services running, peak bus requirements will be lower; logically the oldest buses in the fleet will be used least, if not returned to storage over that period.

and anyone know what bus series i would be more likely to be on next year when i do 10 bus routes in the 1 day
routes are here
442 22xx, 24xx, 25xx, 26xx, 29xx, 32xx or 33xx
387 21xx, 22xx, 24xx, 25xx
990 22xx or 24xx
422 22xx or 24xx
403 22xx or 24xx
460 28xx, 29xx or 32xx
467 21xx, 26xx, 28xx or 29xx

Someone could probably work that out to some very specific figures, based on an exact list of buses allocated to each depot, and a full set of shifts for the relevant operators... Reality is that isn't going to happen, so we're left to guesswork and pure chance. Where you have different subtypes in the fleet, of differing ages and/or fuel types, then you can make more informed guesses; e.g. at depots with gas buses, while the preference might be towards using diesel buses (given they're the newest buses), if more diesels were sent out earlier in the afternoon than usual (due to a number of gas buses still in the workshop), you might expect to see more gas buses out late at night, especially if nothing else is available. This can then cascade into the next day if buses are parked on or in what are normally circulation roads or the carpark.

Getting back to the question at hand, take the 990, Karrinyup operate the vast majority (if not all) trips on that service from what I've seen in years past. So whether you get a 2200 or 2400 will really boil down to which buses are off-traffic (i.e. in the workshops, sent off-site etc), where buses were parked in the yard the night before, which will effect what buses are out at what times and occasionally driver preference - assuming the coordinators acquiesce to any special requests.

[Zidanehartono]

2890 seen running a 206T.

[Enviro 500]

2890 seen running a 206T.

I saw this one off service heading north on Shepparton Road towards the City earlier.

[Zidanehartono]

2152 at Beckenham; sighted leaving the said depot this morning.

[Enviro 500]

1567 on 935.

Also, 1DGC503 has headlights that are reminiscent of the Alexander-Dennis Enviro 300s.

[Zidanehartono]

1885 at Welshpool, sighted entering Perth Busport at the end of a 38T an hour ago.

[Enviro 500]

1885 at Welshpool, sighted entering Perth Busport at the end of a 38T an hour ago.

Is this just a change off or is Baysie ditching gas as well?

Also, I think I spotted 2375 on 940. If that's the case it means RCDEP has not taken responsibility for 940 from MVDEP.

[Zidanehartono]

I think I spotted 2375 on 940. If that's the case it means RCDEP has not taken responsibility for 940 from MVDEP.

Routes 280, 290, 291 and 940 are now under Path - Kalamunda Contract since the start of the Armadale Line Shutdown on Monday; as is Transdev Fremantle for Routes 523, 527, 529 and 537.

[Off The Rails]

Only been known for a few months... viewtopic.php?p=1101034#p1101034

Cheers!

[Enviro 500]

I think I spotted 2375 on 940. If that's the case it means RCDEP has not taken responsibility for 940 from MVDEP.

Routes 280, 290, 291 and 940 are now under Path - Kalamunda Contract since the start of the Armadale Line Shutdown on Monday; as is Transdev Fremantle for Routes 523, 527, 529 and 537.

I suppose this change is permanent. Makes a bit of sense too.

What I don't get is that 36 and 51 serve mostly Kalamunda region but are operated out of Beckenham instead of Welshpool. Meanwhile, the spiritual successor of 175 has all along been considered part of Kalamunda despite terminating in CVDEP and was previously operated directly by said depot before the contract changes of 2011-12.

Also, I heard 2890-2 may be at Jandakot already.

[HL7619]

Are all the 22xx series still at Karrinyup or have some moved to southern river and what are the fleet numbers of the b12 and b8 artics at Karrinyup and Joondalup Because i saw 2247 on the Freeway heading towards Butler today and i saw 2263 getting off at Whitfords ave today to whitfords station and also saw 2279 on a route 422 at Karrinyup shops this afternoon aswell

[Zidanehartono]

Because i saw 2247 on the Freeway heading towards Butler today and i saw 2263 getting off at Whitfords ave today to whitfords station and also saw 2279 on a route 422 at Karrinyup shops this afternoon aswell

That is not noteworthy observation as they are operating in their contract area routes.

On the other hand, some artics have been cascaded south to assist with the Armadale Line Shutdown.

[Off The Rails]

Routes 280, 290, 291 and 940 are now under Path - Kalamunda Contract since the start of the Armadale Line Shutdown on Monday; as is Transdev Fremantle for Routes 523, 527, 529 and 537.

I suppose this change is permanent. Makes a bit of sense too.

What I don't get is that 36 and 51 serve mostly Kalamunda region but are operated out of Beckenham instead of Welshpool. Meanwhile, the spiritual successor of 175 has all along been considered part of Kalamunda despite terminating in CVDEP and was previously operated directly by said depot before the contract changes of 2011-12.

Also, I heard 2890-2 may be at Jandakot already.

That'd be because they are Armadale Line Shutdown bus routes, and the ability for routes entering Cannington to call up and have a bus wait is crucial during this.

What I don't get is your CONSTANT carrying on about the 75/175 not being operated out of Canning Vale. No matter how many times we tell you to stop mentioning it, it's clear you are unable to understand this request, and have now spread it into multiple threads. In case you haven't figured it out in the 10+ years that Path have operated it, it's for the interworkability of it being a Berwick Street and Curtin University service, which it shares with the 72.

For the love of people's sanity here, STOP mentioning the "75 should operate out of CV" debate. Our patience is clearly wearing thin with you.

Cheers!

[Zidanehartono]

2800 seen leaving Cannington on route.

[HL7619]

Saw 3057 and 3058 at Duncraig High School today at 2:30pm on a school special what was the case of 3057 to come from Joondalup to Duncraig to do a school special

[Zidanehartono]

Saw 3057 and 3058 at Duncraig High School today at 2:30pm on a school special what was the case of 3057 to come from Joondalup to Duncraig to do a school special

What is your question exactly?