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Is the next stop up the line Yallatoosdy?
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The woke obsession is spreading everywhere.
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Yes, and what the hell is this woke "Parramatta" name too. </irony>
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That's it's official locale. Go woke, croak.
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Unlike any other state in Australia, early NSW localities were typically named in an English interpretation of the name given to a place or feature by local Aborigines. This was the policy of Phillip and most of the early Governors who followed him. The exceptions were English and Irish names bestowed by original landholders and, later, real estate developers, as well as some names of English politicians bestowed by early Governors. NSW has a long history of using Aboriginal place names - on an industrial scale - and owes nothing by way of "white" apology in that regard, if that's what is being discussed. Parramatta was originally named Rose Hill by Phillip and was renamed Parramatta in 1791 after talking to the local tribes. Reconciliation started with Phillip.
That aside, I do think that transit stops should be pragmatically named in a way that is familiar to most people, not as a token gesture to something we've been doing for over 230 years anyway - unless it happens to be the actual name of the locality. If they don't want to duplicate "Rydalmere" because it's being used for another stop on Stage 2, it should be called University, or UWS, the main feature that it serves.
That aside, I do think that transit stops should be pragmatically named in a way that is familiar to most people, not as a token gesture to something we've been doing for over 230 years anyway - unless it happens to be the actual name of the locality. If they don't want to duplicate "Rydalmere" because it's being used for another stop on Stage 2, it should be called University, or UWS, the main feature that it serves.
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Does this add to the discussion? Is this on topic? Not every thing you see that boils your blood is worth posting on the internet. Just accept there is a generational gap and keep your off topic thought to yourself.
Suggest everything from the quoted post onwards (including this one) is probably worth deleting.
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My point stands that it's better to name a transit stop in a user-friendly way so that people know where they are or where they're going, rather than name it for some other agenda that somebody wants to pursue. Another alternative, in this case, is to rename the suburb or locality so that the stop name matches the locality name. Good luck with that. Until then, "Yallamundi" is a bad mistake, but once some agenda is running hot, it's impossible to halt.grog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:28 am Does this add to the discussion? Is this on topic? Not every thing you see that boils your blood is worth posting on the internet. Just accept there is a generational gap and keep your off topic thought to yourself.
Suggest everything from the quoted post onwards (including this one) is probably worth deleting.
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Nope, but the ATDB is rapidly becoming more of a place for certain people to vent on who they don't like in society rather than discuss transport related issues. Little wonder the number of active members continues to dwindle.grog wrote: ↑Does this add to the discussion? Is this on topic?
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Setting aside any culture wars about locality names, the real issue is the one tonyp raises here - that stop names should help customers identify a location, not hinder it. We've already been down this path on light rail with Juniors Kingsford; Kingsford Interchange would have been far more sensible, but someone got an idea and managed to convince the powers that be to run with it. TfNSW has form on this with bus stops too - insisting on naming stops after obscure side streets when there is a far more prominent and recognisable cross street nearby, and similarly using obscure cross streets for bus stop names instead of a recognised location or key destination. As with much to do with wayfinding, this is a policy failure where TfNSW could do so much better... and it's not that hard (at least when political interference is absent).
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Sometimes political interference is a real negative… I used to use Rydalmere station regularly for years, never ever heard of Yallamundi in my life.
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You'd better get used to it, they moved smartly to make it law:
https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/public ... 9050ca254b
I think the best they could do now to repair the ambiguity is define and gazette the same name as a Locality around the stop and include within the boundary the university, since that's what it refers to. And perhaps an "alight here for Western Sydney University and Rydalmere" sign under the stop name and similar announcement on board.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^It gets worse. Here's the "justification" for the new name, from the Geographical Names Board website -
"The proposed name is a Darug word, reflecting ‘storytelling’ which provides a connection to the nearby Western Sydney University (Parramatta South) campus."
Who, in their wildest dreams, would associate "storytelling" with a university?
As for "Parramatta South".....the mind boggles.
Brace yourself for the naming of the new art gallery taking up a couple of acres of the Domain lawns, and then there's the Metro station under Pitt Street.
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"The proposed name is a Darug word, reflecting ‘storytelling’ which provides a connection to the nearby Western Sydney University (Parramatta South) campus."
Who, in their wildest dreams, would associate "storytelling" with a university?
As for "Parramatta South".....the mind boggles.
Brace yourself for the naming of the new art gallery taking up a couple of acres of the Domain lawns, and then there's the Metro station under Pitt Street.
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Although it has 2172 on the side, the windscreen number appears to be 12.
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The use of “Parramatta South” refers to the Western Sydney University. There is a Parramatta North and Parramatta South Campus which are separated by Victoria Road. They are both referred to as Parramatta as it is a more identifiable name than Rydalmere. I personally believe the name of the LR stop should be “WSU Parramatta South”
There is also a “Parramatta City” campus located in the Parra CBD and this is located geographically more southern so that may make it confusing for some which could be the reason it wasn’t named that.
There is also a “Parramatta City” campus located in the Parra CBD and this is located geographically more southern so that may make it confusing for some which could be the reason it wasn’t named that.
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Thanks for the clarification. But don't they think that Parramatta North Campus practises storytelling too, or is it only STEM subjects taught over there? TfNSW needs to bear in mind that the stop also serves the industrial and residential areas of Rydalmere. "Rydalmere", with the addition of a subtext of "WSU", was a perfectly adequate name.745-Castle Hill wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:42 pm The use of “Parramatta South” refers to the Western Sydney University. There is a Parramatta North and Parramatta South Campus which are separated by Victoria Road. They are both referred to as Parramatta as it is a more identifiable name than Rydalmere. I personally believe the name of the LR stop should be “WSU Parramatta South”
There is also a “Parramatta City” campus located in the Parra CBD and this is located geographically more southern so that may make it confusing for some which could be the reason it wasn’t named that.
Moving along the line, I see there is another trick at Cumberland Hospital, which is disguised as Ngara. This one hasn't made it to the GNB, but an Aboriginal lexicon from Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority tells me it means look/listen/think, which I would have thought was more appropriate for a university rather than a mental health hospital. We live in crazy times where hide-and-seek has replaced wayfinding. The other thing is that they're stamping out history.
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GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES BOARD
If you're keen to express your views, their email address is -
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Here's a novel approach. Name it after the suburb it's in or at least a major publicly accessible well known facility adjacent to the stop.
Not a name to satisfy SJW interests.
Not a name to satisfy SJW interests.
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They went through this naming fiasco with the CSE line, but sanity prevailed in the end.
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That's because the locals would likely not stand for it and many in the government live there. Funny how they're happy to impose this rubbish in areas they have no personal affinity with. That's classic elitist behavior.
Rydalmere is unlikely to harbour opposition to this virtue signaling indulgence.
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100% right on the first two sentences. You completely lost me on the third.
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It's too late, it has been through the whole process over the last two or three years, including public consultation. Evidently, the public mustn't have objected too much over these two names, though there were originally three Dharug names and the one for the Childrens Hospital was knocked out. They must have figured that the institution was too significant to disguise. Interestingly, the names on the Carlingford line were retained because of familiarity to locals as former train stations, but Rydalmere was sacrificed. I wouldn't object to these renamings if the locality or some major feature nearby was renamed with the same name. Then customers would have something to relate the stop name to. It's when the name is unrecognisable to 99.9% of people and there is nothing in the locality to relate it to that there's a major wayfinding issue.lunchbox wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:21 pm GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES BOARD
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Social justice warriors are activists who want to impose their radical socialist beliefs on others by force even if they know the majority don't want it or will benefit. A deep opposition to democratic principles. This is a classic case of imposition of a name to appease a minority over the majority at the expense of amenity.
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