Electrics at Expo 22
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Electrics at Expo 22
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1. Fully low floor buses
Custom Denning Element
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1. Fully low floor buses
Custom Denning Element
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1. Fully low floor buses
Scania BEV chassis
Looking towards front. Looking towards rear - note tower at right and LHD back door opening at left, infilled with frame to support seats.
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1. Fully low floor buses
Scania BEV chassis
Looking towards front. Looking towards rear - note tower at right and LHD back door opening at left, infilled with frame to support seats.
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1. Fully low floor buses
Toyota hydrogen buses, 10.7 metre and 7 metre
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1. Fully low floor buses
Toyota hydrogen buses, 10.7 metre and 7 metre
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2. 90% low floor bus
Volvo BZL
Note pipework and cables at rear where low gangway should be: With Express single-door body:
With Volgren two-door body:
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2. 90% low floor bus
Volvo BZL
Note pipework and cables at rear where low gangway should be: With Express single-door body:
With Volgren two-door body:
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3. Low entry buses
ARCC
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3. Low entry buses
ARCC
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3. Low entry buses
BCI
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3. Low entry buses
BCI
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3. Low entry buses
BLK
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3. Low entry buses
BLK
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3. Low entry buses
Ebusco
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3. Low entry buses
Ebusco
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3. Low entry buses
King Long
Gigantic stairs define this "ultra low floor".
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3. Low entry buses
King Long
Gigantic stairs define this "ultra low floor".
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3. Low entry buses
Nexport
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3. Low entry buses
Nexport
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3. Low entry buses
Volgren/BYD
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3. Low entry buses
Volgren/BYD
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3. Low entry buses
Yutong
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3. Low entry buses
Yutong
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4. Low entry front door and stepped centre door bus
Bustech ZDi
There is also a small step in the centre door threshold out of sight to the lower right.
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4. Low entry front door and stepped centre door bus
Bustech ZDi
There is also a small step in the centre door threshold out of sight to the lower right.
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When you said some of those steps were high, you weren't kidding. They look even worse than the CB80s.
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With about a dozen low entry buses to go through, it was like a morning at the gym. Catching one bus, it's only a temporary inconvenience. You don't fully appreciate what a standout the Element is (closely supported by the Scania and Volvo) until you see it alongside these mediocre offerings.
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I missed the Foton hydrogen bus, another low entry.
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On the discussion of the Volvo BZL, at least we know it is theoretically possible to enable a fully flat floor (as we can see from the Express bodied example). The problem is this shows the same problem the prototype ZDi was facing where some of the seats are below the window line and the windows still go up as if the rear was from a low entry design, not something I as a rider would be particularly fond of and as much as I was hoping Bustech would keep a full flat floor chassis, I suppose if they were not able to do it then this is for the better although I can't say I'm fond of the end product ZDi's rear chassis, another one of those high-floor nightmares, I'd definitely swap it out for the BCI's rear end layout.
The alternative is if we can't have a full flat floor bus then the next best example is definitely the equivalent to the BZL, It would've been nice if King long and Foton were able to suit however I suppose such an ancient and redundant design has been baked into our buses that operators would "freak out" at the stance of seeing a fully flat floor design, at least some embrace it, others ????
The alternative is if we can't have a full flat floor bus then the next best example is definitely the equivalent to the BZL, It would've been nice if King long and Foton were able to suit however I suppose such an ancient and redundant design has been baked into our buses that operators would "freak out" at the stance of seeing a fully flat floor design, at least some embrace it, others ????
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An Element fitted with all the driver-friendly cab design features of the Yutong would be the perfect BEB in my opinion.
Certainly the Element is one of the most pleasant buses I've driven since the early lowfloors (o405NH, B10BLE, L113/L94). I have a profound distaste for computerized accelerator and brake systems on just about all of the diesel low floors that have arrived since; jerky acceleration, cut back too much off the line for emissions sake, and brakes that almost always give a jerky stop, not to mention having to play the game of "what's going to happen this time that I touch the pedal?".
The Element just seemed so smooth and predictable, and the one-pedal driving was amazing. Like the best-ever lift-off retarder in a diesel.
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Nowadays, people get to drive their electric buses and cars the way tram drivers have been driving their trams for years!Bovways wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:55 pm
An Element fitted with all the driver-friendly cab design features of the Yutong would be the perfect BEB in my opinion.
Certainly the Element is one of the most pleasant buses I've driven since the early lowfloors (o405NH, B10BLE, L113/L94). I have a profound distaste for computerized accelerator and brake systems on just about all of the diesel low floors that have arrived since; jerky acceleration, cut back too much off the line for emissions sake, and brakes that almost always give a jerky stop, not to mention having to play the game of "what's going to happen this time that I touch the pedal?".
The Element just seemed so smooth and predictable, and the one-pedal driving was amazing. Like the best-ever lift-off retarder in a diesel.
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You could always suggest directly to CD additional cab features you'd like to see. I'm sure they'd like the feedback.
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The Elements do sound pleasant. I too also cannot fathom the level of over-engineering and noticeable under-performance of modern buses in terms of their predictability in different situations, and thus the ability to deliver a smooth ride. What was wrong with a brake pedal that directly controlled a physical air valve? Or a gearbox that would deliver more consistent behaviour? (I'll leave out electronic throttles as those, at least, seem far more responsive in buses than any late-model car I've driven). The O405 (plus NH), and L94 are definitely among my favourite buses - in spite of some modest computer meddling, the NHs delivered perfectly predictable stop and go performance.Bovways wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:55 pm Certainly the Element is one of the most pleasant buses I've driven since the early lowfloors (o405NH, B10BLE, L113/L94). I have a profound distaste for computerized accelerator and brake systems on just about all of the diesel low floors that have arrived since; jerky acceleration, cut back too much off the line for emissions sake, and brakes that almost always give a jerky stop, not to mention having to play the game of "what's going to happen this time that I touch the pedal?".
The Element just seemed so smooth and predictable, and the one-pedal driving was amazing. Like the best-ever lift-off retarder in a diesel.
It certainly feels as though the people who design modern buses have never had to spend 8-10hrs a day, every day, driving them. Or even riding as a passenger, and seeing how all their "you-beaut" fuel-saving ideas work out when subjected to real-world conditions and drivers who never cared particularly much for good road-craft. I would agree with Tony that sending CD some feedback on the cab layout (or even any quirky behaviour) could be very beneficial.