From experience, yes. I remember seeing a River Class and RiverCat on a Sunday too.
I also remember seeing a First Fleet on the F3 to Olympic Park on TripView, couldn’t confirm it however.
From experience, yes. I remember seeing a River Class and RiverCat on a Sunday too.
Thanks, interesting.Randomness wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:34 pm
I also remember seeing a First Fleet on the F3 to Olympic Park on TripView, couldn’t confirm it however.
To upgrade the Quay perhaps the floating sections could be towed away for a paint job with the rigid sections lifted off the piles by a barge either side and moved sufficiently for a coffer dam so it can be put back on fill allowing the extra 20 metres of space north of the station.
Even if they just remove the two news stands it would be an improvement, but it is a joke at the moment with runners and bikes in that crowded space.tonyp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:13 pm Fortunately I personally don't need that structure demolished as I still have a mental picture from early in life of walking between the ferries and trams without it being there. Unsurprisingly, the area had a wonderful open feel about it and when the railway and road was built it certainly walled in Alfred St quite horribly. I think the best way out of it now would be to just demolish the roadway and maybe by then they could run trains through there wireless (battery or third rail), which would eliminate the ugly overhead. Demolish the solid walls around the station and have it glassed, with a light awning over the station platforms. The ferry wharves should remain low profile as they are now, but it looks like they're planning to build them up higher, which would defeat any improvements around the railway.
So, all things considered, maybe just leave it alone and spend the money on better things.
I once caught a first fleet from SOP to Quay. It was an all stop service, and arrived about 5 mins late to Circular Quay, after skipping King St.Glen wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:45 pmThanks, interesting.Randomness wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:34 pm
I also remember seeing a First Fleet on the F3 to Olympic Park on TripView, couldn’t confirm it however.
Would a First Fleet keep to time on an F3?
I understand they used to run the River back when the service only went to Meadowbank.
I think it's a waste of taxpayer's money.Linto63 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:44 pm One Freshwater class to operate one service every two hours on weekdays.
Iconic freshwater ferries return to Sydney Harbour
Given the intensity of the debate and now that a common fare has been introduced, I think it's necessary to run the faster more frequent ferries alongside the slower, less frequent one in order to establish the pattern of passenger demand. This wasn't possible previously because the faster option has had a premium fare since fast ferries were first introduced in 1965. As people invariably prefer faster, more frequent public transport in general, we should find that the Emeralds will be crowded and the Freshwaters fairly empty. We will also need to observe whether there are different preference patterns in normal weekday commuter service vs weekend service with casual visitors and tourists.
They have been doing just that since the weekend Freshies were re-introduced late last year. Despite the hourly service departing the same wharf at CQ just 5 minutes after an Emerald, very few passengers seem bothered to wait around for the experience. Maybe they prefer the extra 15 minutes at Manly.tonyp wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 pm
Given the intensity of the debate and now that a common fare has been introduced, I think it's necessary to run the faster more frequent ferries alongside the slower, less frequent one in order to establish the pattern of passenger demand. This wasn't possible previously because the faster option has had a premium fare since fast ferries were first introduced in 1965. As people invariably prefer faster, more frequent public transport in general, we should find that the Emeralds will be crowded and the Freshwaters fairly empty. We will also need to observe whether there are different preference patterns in normal weekday commuter service vs weekend service with casual visitors and tourists.
This test is years overdue. If the outcome is that we find that the Freshwaters are carrying little but fresh air at their much higher operating costs, some further decisions may flow from that. If they're still popular, then money might be spent on refit of another ferry. A decision needs to be made either way, because the present situation costs the taxpayer out of proportion to the actual level of transport task the Manly ferry performs in Sydney, which outside the pandemic is a relatively small 4 to 5 million passengers a year.
Given that the decision has been made effectively to match a Labor announcement, can be expected that the government will commit itself to retain the service during the 2023 election to neutralise the independent candidates that inevitably that will make such commitments in the manifestos.tonyp wrote: ↑If the outcome is that we find that the Freshwaters are carrying little but fresh air at their much higher operating costs, some further decisions may flow from that.
The press release stated that the Queenscliff is to be refurbished in 2023, whether this extends as far as the full $7 million job done on the Freshwater remain to be seen.tonyp wrote: ↑If they're still popular, then money might be spent on refit of another ferry. A decision needs to be made either way,
My point is that now the opportunity for comparison is extended through the week. I'm sure I know where this is going to lead. The point is that the experience of the "sea" can also be had on an Emerald. Most people would likely be satisfied with 15 minutes of that experience and see little value in stretching it out to 30. Regular commuters typically just want to finish the trip as quickly as possible, as on any other mode.boronia wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:03 pm They have been doing just that since the weekend Freshies were re-introduced late last year. Despite the hourly service departing the same wharf at CQ just 5 minutes after an Emerald, very few passengers seem bothered to wait around for the experience. Maybe they prefer the extra 15 minutes at Manly.
The return trip just fits in with the regular 15 minute frequency. So it is hard to guess if there are more "loyalty" riders on these trips.
Peanuts compared to the billions squandered on other pork barrelling vote buying projects...stupid_girl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:58 amI think it's a waste of taxpayer's money.Linto63 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:44 pm One Freshwater class to operate one service every two hours on weekdays.
Iconic freshwater ferries return to Sydney Harbour
Those figures are for Monday. He's saying that the reason he confined the Freshwaters' operation to weekends and holidays was that there'd be little interest in riding them on weekdays - and he's right. I guess sometimes it's necessary to prove these things.