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May I ask, are any of the hills K360UA Scanias governed to 85kph, or can they do 100? I recall 2856 only reaching around 85 on the Southern Expressway in 2014, but I'm curious if it's max speed has been reverted to 100 to allow for this one and others to have more flexibility on the freeway.
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Why does the Tonsley Line curve to south west at the end? Was the line meant to go further?
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Mt Lofty and the wild life park are part of Adelaide's few unique draw cards, the Lofty Bot.Gardens too. Equal to the Central Mkts and way in front of the much touted Wine Centre and Casino.
But there are only three buses a day to and from them, a genuine disincentive to visit. Is there any chance of better services in future, perhaps a smaller, more regular 823 bus to and from Crafers along Mt Lofty Summit Rd?

Such a smaller, nippier service might make it possible to more easily get up and down to Uraidla, the lower Botanics entrance and even the odd spur to Lobethal, patrons able to return by the main route.

Eventually Smart phones might help connect passengers to the route providers.
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It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
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TA3001 wrote:It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
The existing 645 and 646 services carry very few passengers-these routes are over serviced.
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I can see little changing until the new contracts for service provision are signed and implemented. Only then new concepts and technologies (such as Bridj - https://www.bridj.com/) may come into play.
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bridj a division of Transit Systems Australia has been very successful in Sydney since its introduction.
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TA3001 wrote:It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
I have wondered if the 645/646 are really beneficial since being split from the old 243/246/247/248. The 645/645 wouldn't have good stats being such a short distance. I wonder if it may be worth re extending the (now M44) and 248 to serve the Seaview Downs/Seacombe Heights area or even adjust the surrounding 640 services (265 probably long enough already) to fill the gaps.

Would definitely like to see more 823 services given the popular destination

Agree that we wouldn't expect to see much happen for a while though.
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The 645-646 route was previously operated by buses to and from the M44,but was stopped because it was tying up O-Bahn buses, especially in peak hours when they could be better utilised elsewhere, where there was a demand and good loadings. Now the occasional O-Bahn bus does these routes in off-peak times,
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Middle door boarding.

In the city, preparing to board buses heading to the Port via Arndale, I look in vain for the middle door entry option.

They still seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. Perhaps they're more on east and south destinations where fare evasions might be less of a issue?

Are the centrally located validators still being rolled out?
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This will only apply to buses on O-Bahn routes.
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Thanks. So for the time being the driver plays an essential part in confirming correct validation.

But it happens on O-Bahn routes where timeliness is of the essence.
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Why does bus 1734 have what looks like a cheap-ass homemade pantograph attached?
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Midi 1734 was used (by Torrens and Southlink) to check overhead clearances for safe operating conditions for the two double deckers. It had been used out of Mile End and Aldgate depots on an occasional basis for the last 5 years or so (how long has 1790 been in service?) but I don’t think has been moved from its spot in Mile End now for at least 6 months. The overhead structure is about the same height and width as the deckers.
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Ah ok, thanks. It was in Franklin St today around 9.30ish. Hadn't seen it before.
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When did AM buses last go to beyond the current Auldana terminus, i recall up until 2000 in the Metroguide that came out yearly that there were one or two routes that went via The Parade then went up to Skye? Why did they stop going to Skye?
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I cannot remember buses ever going to Skye. And isn’t Skye that area carrying on from Kensington Rd, east of Penfold Rd not from the Parade? Incredibly steep hills with very sharp bends: not an area I thought would be accessible for Metro buses.
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TA3001 wrote:May I ask, are any of the hills K360UA Scanias governed to 85kph, or can they do 100? I recall 2856 only reaching around 85 on the Southern Expressway in 2014, but I'm curious if it's max speed has been reverted to 100 to allow for this one and others to have more flexibility on the freeway.
I'm surprised it got up to 85 in the first place.
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Skexis wrote: I'm surprised it got up to 85 in the first place.
They don't sound as underpowered as the MANs do at this speed.
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Hello, I have a random question about if there is any possible way to know what routes a certain bus is going to do on a day. I have the app for IOS called ShouldIRun but this only tells me a the bus fleet when the bus starts the route. Hopefully someone can help me out :D
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Often the system won't recognise the fleet number until the bus has started its trip, i.e. if it's the first trip of a shift, or perhaps if a bus has a breakdown then another bus is used to complete the trip, or a trip could be covered by another driver due to late running or other circumstances. In most instances however, once a bus is on the road, the next 2-4 trips would use the same bus number (however many trips are on that driver's piece of work) but I'm not sure if the real time and GPS systems look that far in advance to get the bus number, rather than wait until the driver has entered it into the system at the start of the trip.
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Hello, I have a very random question. I was just wondering if anyone knows how I can get an application some of you seem to have called 'TransitMix'. I would really like this to draw my fantasy bus routes around Adelaide on that instead of having to use pen and paper. I have tried getting it but on the website it seems there is no way to get it other than scheduling a demo (which I have done and not got a response at all since i requested....a very long time ago. Hopefully someone that has this can help me out, thanks
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Unfortunately the use of transitmix for enthusiasts was discontinued a few years ago. It seems to be only for transport planners/companies who are willing to pay a fee now.
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Unrelated to the previous post, but I have noticed that the inbound 'M44' services often tend to sit at stop C TTP for several minutes on end.

The last service from Marion to Golden Grove has 15 minutes from TTP to GG, compared to 17 minutes for some earlier services.

Is there a reason for all this unnecessary time in after hours schedules?

721s also have way too much time from stop 7 South Rd to Flinders. It is a result of stupid timetable design where some time points are too far apart, and the travel time estimates are inaccurate as a result, with zero effort by the DPTI to apply fixes. And why does the N721 (N prefix is totally unnecessary with these services) have 5 minutes from B1 to D2 KW St at 3 in the morning, when the rest of the timetable is fairly tight?

In my opinion, there should be one timepoint in the CBD, with the following/preceding ones placed in the outer perimeter (eg parklands) if they are really necessary. I1 North Tce should be removed, along with C2 KW and D1 which is notorious for causing banking in peak hour. It may help to make these approximate, so that more sensible locations can be used to take out time.
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N721 is only on a Saturday night after midnight these services are on a very tight schedule due to the fact they want to get passengers home safely ASAP not having to sit at timing points with passengers that have had a few drinks it was designed as a safety to other pax and driver
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