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homer9000 wrote:the weird bit and i was on a 200 run by an o'bahn bus that continued as a 208 beyond the city was people validating tickets at the rear using the back doors.i thought that only applied to actual track services.
I personally think at least some drivers need some strict reeducation about how it works, as I have intended to board an O'bahn bus at Paradise through the rear doors only to find them shut. If they are not attentive enough to look out for boarding passengers, then what I said.

All door boarding should be applicable whenever a bus fitted with validators in the doorways pulls up, not just when it suits the driver. There are a lot of O'bahn rigids out on regular shifts on weekends, and it would be better in my opinion if there weren't restrictions in regards to boarding through the rear on these vehicles. Passengers will need to look for the signs, otherwise it's obviously through the front only.
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Boarding times would be greatly improved if people stuck to front door entry/rear door exit at all times. Some of the old SG's had gates at the front of the bus that prevented people from exiting there. All this rear door rubbish is not going to help anyone in the long term.
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If that's directed at me what clarification do you require?
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Simply because it routes the traffic in one direction only thereby eliminating clogging at the front door. Some people would still need to use the front doors in both directions but if there's no definite need then they should alight from the rear. One-way streets are designed to speed the flow of traffic so the principle should also work within the confines of a bus. Plus there are the issues around revenue protection as you've no way of seeing who validates at the rear so no driver is going to bother calling anyone out.

Also a correction as it wasn't the SG's that had the gates, it was some of the old Mercs although in R557 it only extended halfway across the gangway. Seem to remember a couple of the others had two gates.
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Noticed today that some stops have a square panel with black and yellow vertical lines fixed above the stop. What does/did this signify? For reference one is Stop 2 in O'Connell St outside the op shop and theres another in Sir Edwyn Smith Drive opposite the Womens and Children's
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The black and yellow striped signs at stops were used to indicate a compulsory stop back in the 60s and 70s, and probably earlier. From memory they were at stops that were timepoints and had Bundy clocks at them that drivers/conductors had to “punch” with a key. Most of them have disappeared over time, but I did notice the recent installation of the one on top of stop 2 down opposite the WCH. Stop 2 up in KW Rd has had a sign saying “compulsory stop” for several years, but doesn’t have the black and yellow stripes.
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I saw a car driver yesterday sit at traffic lights in the bus lane, she made the b light activate, I thought a wheel would have to be a certain weight or something to trigger the b light?
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TT wrote:The black and yellow striped signs at stops were used to indicate a compulsory stop back in the 60s and 70s, and probably earlier. From memory they were at stops that were timepoints and had Bundy clocks at them that drivers/conductors had to “punch” with a key. Most of them have disappeared over time, but I did notice the recent installation of the one on top of stop 2 down opposite the WCH. Stop 2 up in KW Rd has had a sign saying “compulsory stop” for several years, but doesn’t have the black and yellow stripes.
These go back to the 40's and 50's.Trams black and silver stripes
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Eurostar wrote:I saw a car driver yesterday sit at traffic lights in the bus lane, she made the b light activate, I thought a wheel would have to be a certain weight or something to trigger the b light?
The sensors are the same for all lanes. Sometimes the sensor in a Bus Lane might be just over a car length back from the stop line so a single car won't trigger a 'B' light, however this is not always the case.
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Eagle Eye wrote:
Eurostar wrote:I saw a car driver yesterday sit at traffic lights in the bus lane, she made the b light activate, I thought a wheel would have to be a certain weight or something to trigger the b light?
The sensors are the same for all lanes. Sometimes the sensor in a Bus Lane might be just over a car length back from the stop line so a single car won't trigger a 'B' light, however this is not always the case.
B light sensors (and similar) are tripped by induction coils so anything generating a magnetic field over a certain level will set them off. Cyclists normally wont set them off however a trick is to tape a small length of conduit under the crank and put a couple of N45 magnets in it. Sets off all the sensors quite well.
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I'm just curious. When was Volgren bodied Scania L94UB 1385 last on the road?

3269 is of similar age, and yet doesn't seem to have these continuous issues that cause it to be out of service 70% of the time, despite reaching speeds of 100kph for extended periods at times.
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TA3001 wrote:I'm just curious. When was Volgren bodied Scania L94UB 1385 last on the road?

3269 is of similar age, and yet doesn't seem to have these continuous issues that cause it to be out of service 70% of the time, despite reaching speeds of 100kph for extended periods at times.
Both buses have different backgrounds which will affect how well they age. Another thing to consider is Hills buses operating longer distances without stopping will tend to age better than buses operating start/stop type services all the time.
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jibb wrote:C stands I believe for "City".
If that's the case how's that work for the 750C Colonnades to Seaford service?
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Skexis wrote:
jibb wrote:C stands I believe for "City".
If that's the case how's that work for the 750C Colonnades to Seaford service?
If you look at the context of jibb's post in August you will see that what was being discussed was C as in C1, the alpha prefix for a group of routes rather than the alpha suffix which generally denotes an alternative destination for a single route.
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May I ask, are any of the hills K360UA Scanias governed to 85kph, or can they do 100? I recall 2856 only reaching around 85 on the Southern Expressway in 2014, but I'm curious if it's max speed has been reverted to 100 to allow for this one and others to have more flexibility on the freeway.
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Why does the Tonsley Line curve to south west at the end? Was the line meant to go further?
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Mt Lofty and the wild life park are part of Adelaide's few unique draw cards, the Lofty Bot.Gardens too. Equal to the Central Mkts and way in front of the much touted Wine Centre and Casino.
But there are only three buses a day to and from them, a genuine disincentive to visit. Is there any chance of better services in future, perhaps a smaller, more regular 823 bus to and from Crafers along Mt Lofty Summit Rd?

Such a smaller, nippier service might make it possible to more easily get up and down to Uraidla, the lower Botanics entrance and even the odd spur to Lobethal, patrons able to return by the main route.

Eventually Smart phones might help connect passengers to the route providers.
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It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
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TA3001 wrote:It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
The existing 645 and 646 services carry very few passengers-these routes are over serviced.
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I can see little changing until the new contracts for service provision are signed and implemented. Only then new concepts and technologies (such as Bridj - https://www.bridj.com/) may come into play.
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bridj a division of Transit Systems Australia has been very successful in Sydney since its introduction.
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TA3001 wrote:It would only be implemented at the expense of other existing services.

It won't surprise me if we eventually see a split version of the 443 from Munno Para instead of the 440, 441, and 442 running all at once at half hourly intervals, as well as the 645 and 646 possibly being combined into one service, or even scrapped entirely, as the existing 265, 640, and 734 services are within walking distance of many stops served by these routes.
I have wondered if the 645/646 are really beneficial since being split from the old 243/246/247/248. The 645/645 wouldn't have good stats being such a short distance. I wonder if it may be worth re extending the (now M44) and 248 to serve the Seaview Downs/Seacombe Heights area or even adjust the surrounding 640 services (265 probably long enough already) to fill the gaps.

Would definitely like to see more 823 services given the popular destination

Agree that we wouldn't expect to see much happen for a while though.
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The 645-646 route was previously operated by buses to and from the M44,but was stopped because it was tying up O-Bahn buses, especially in peak hours when they could be better utilised elsewhere, where there was a demand and good loadings. Now the occasional O-Bahn bus does these routes in off-peak times,
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Middle door boarding.

In the city, preparing to board buses heading to the Port via Arndale, I look in vain for the middle door entry option.

They still seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. Perhaps they're more on east and south destinations where fare evasions might be less of a issue?

Are the centrally located validators still being rolled out?
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This will only apply to buses on O-Bahn routes.
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