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Transperthpaperbus wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:39 pm It would be nice to have an easy way to find out which PTA buses are at which depot and have it regularly updated with the changes as they happen
To my understanding, Perthbus.info used to contain this information, but it is no longer supplied as buses have (at times) moved too frequently to keep a tab on, and there can be issues with reliability of information. A couple of examples where things might get tricky:
  • Some Midis from Rockingham recently spent some time at Freo - would such a list need to be updated for these sorts of short term visitors?
  • What about buses that have ended up away from their 'official' home depot? Take what we see prior to contracts being handed over, have those buses simply strayed from where they should be over time? Or was their relocation official? How would these sorts of details be recorded?
TP1462 wrote: That’s actually quite the assumption to make not everyone has the time to check websites for information people do work and have other commitments the whole point of this forum is for observations not to be rudely attacked by the forum trolls
There is an in-thread search facility available on these forums, as the screenshots below demonstrate:
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In-thread search facility results for criteria '2588'
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As we can see, 2586-2588 do not appear to have been mentioned in this year's thread until today.
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TP1462 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:50 pm That’s actually quite the assumption to make not everyone has the time to check websites for information people do work and have other commitments the whole point of this forum is for observations not to be rudely attacked by the forum trolls
If me making a simple suggestion to do at most 30 seconds of research in order to answer your own question (for the record, the last listing I posted in the depot listing thread in October has all four of those at Joondalup), in order to ensure post standards remain high and useful for all members makes me a troll who is 'rudely attacking' you, then so be it.
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Merc1107 wrote:
Transperthpaperbus wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:39 pm It would be nice to have an easy way to find out which PTA buses are at which depot and have it regularly updated with the changes as they happen
To my understanding, Perthbus.info used to contain this information, but it is no longer supplied as buses have (at times) moved too frequently to keep a tab on, and there can be issues with reliability of information. A couple of examples where things might get tricky:
  • Some Midis from Rockingham recently spent some time at Freo - would such a list need to be updated for these sorts of short term visitors?
  • What about buses that have ended up away from their 'official' home depot? Take what we see prior to contracts being handed over, have those buses simply strayed from where they should be over time? Or was their relocation official? How would these sorts of details be recorded?
TP1462 wrote: That’s actually quite the assumption to make not everyone has the time to check websites for information people do work and have other commitments the whole point of this forum is for observations not to be rudely attacked by the forum trolls
There is an in-thread search facility available on these forums, as the screenshots below demonstrate:
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As we can see, 2586-2588 do not appear to have been mentioned in this year's thread until today.
I honestly wasn’t expecting for this to blow up the way it is and I just did search Perthbus for depot listings in relation to 2588 and it definitely no longer displays depot information, the forum police don’t need to attack everyone every time someone posts what might be to them an unusual sighting


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All I will add is that I strongly encourage anyone posting in this thread to check the specific rules on the first page to ascertain whether your intended post is appropriate to this thread or not.

Being an observations thread, there is an endless realm of possible observations that could be posted in this thread but for the benefit of everyone who enjoys reading this forum, keeping observations to those which are unique or unusual obviously makes this thread more interesting for viewers. Quality over quantity.
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I spotted 2244 in Thornlie this evening. Is it a BH or CV bus? Certainly not SR since they only take gas buses.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:36 am I spotted 2244 in Thornlie this evening. Is it a BH or CV bus? Certainly not SR since they only take gas buses.
"Certainly not SR"... do we just seem to forget that 3007 and 3026 were there up to the end of January? Or do we forget the time when Southern River had a fleet of 10 NH's only a few years ago?

Christ.

Also, seems like you failed to notice an updated depot listing in the depot thread. Takes only a few seconds to find it.

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Just saw that. New kid 3106 also listed as active. Never seen NHs in SR controlled areas though. All transferees to SR were OCs from Karrinyup that had started service with Path Transit in 2010.
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Normally used to transfer people from Perth Airport to the hotel in the CBD, 1347 and 1570 somewhat makes an appearance on the Thornlie Line train replacement service this morning.

The following day (5th March) also saw 1346 out 'n about on normal shifts within the Canning Contract Area as it saw it departing Cannington that morning.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:39 pm Just saw that. New kid 3106 also listed as active. Never seen NHs in SR controlled areas though. All transferees to SR were OCs from Karrinyup that had started service with Path Transit in 2010.
Up until 2005 when their OC's started to arrive, Gosnells Depot had 1566-1590. It could have been 1565 too, but my memory is that it was a Jandakot bus.

1303-1305, 1529, 1845-1850 and 1853 were all there a couple of years back too.

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Bus-1809 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:55 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:39 pm Just saw that. New kid 3106 also listed as active. Never seen NHs in SR controlled areas though. All transferees to SR were OCs from Karrinyup that had started service with Path Transit in 2010.
Up until 2005 when their OC's started to arrive, Gosnells Depot had 1566-1590. It could have been 1565 too, but my memory is that it was a Jandakot bus.

1303-1305, 1529, 1845-1850 and 1853 were all there a couple of years back too.

Visual proof here too, with a video of 1303 running a 245F: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riNhG6U4ckc
Are Jandakot and CV one and the same depot? Anyway, from memory, Gosnells used to have many O305s before the OC500s entered revenue service. 1566-1590 used to serve on 34, 72, 877-879, 882 and 883 too.
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Enviro 500 wrote:
Bus-1809 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:55 pm Up until 2005 when their OC's started to arrive, Gosnells Depot had 1566-1590. It could have been 1565 too, but my memory is that it was a Jandakot bus.

1303-1305, 1529, 1845-1850 and 1853 were all there a couple of years back too.

Visual proof here too, with a video of 1303 running a 245F: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riNhG6U4ckc
Are Jandakot and CV one and the same depot? Anyway, from memory, Gosnells used to have many O305s before the OC500s entered revenue service. 1566-1590 used to serve on 34, 72, 877-879, 882 and 883 too.
Basically yes. Jandakot is just another name for Canningvale, Gosnells with Southern River, Trigg with Karrinyup, Palmyra with Fremantle etc


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wasn't 1588 to 1590 at Midvale or at least I could remember after transfering from Redcliffe up there before the OC's went to Southern River when they still had the O305 Merc's
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Transperthpaperbus wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:58 pm wasn't 1588 to 1590 at Midvale or at least I could remember after transfering from Redcliffe up there before the OC's went to Southern River when they still had the O305 Merc's
Midvale had 1587, 1588, 1589, 1590
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the c man wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:04 pm
Transperthpaperbus wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:58 pm wasn't 1588 to 1590 at Midvale or at least I could remember after transfering from Redcliffe up there before the OC's went to Southern River when they still had the O305 Merc's
Midvale had 1587, 1588, 1589, 1590
1587 came over later whilst I was driving in that contract area.
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TP1462 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:25 pm
Enviro 500 wrote:
Are Jandakot and CV one and the same depot? Anyway, from memory, Gosnells used to have many O305s before the OC500s entered revenue service. 1566-1590 used to serve on 34, 72, 877-879, 882 and 883 too.
Basically yes. Jandakot is just another name for Canningvale, Gosnells with Southern River, Trigg with Karrinyup, Palmyra with Fremantle etc


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Jandakot is very much a different site to Canning Vale... The Jandakot Depot site is in the industrial area to the east of Kwinana Freeway, between Berrigan Drive and Armadale Road.

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TP1462 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:25 pm
Basically yes. Jandakot is just another name for Canningvale
TP1462, that is incorrect. As BD12 has mentioned, Jandakot Depot is (and I say "is" as the site I believe is still accessible to PTA) a seperate location from Swan Transit Canning Vale Depot. The depot used to house the following buses: 1555, 1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563 & 1565. It was used to service runs south of Success P'n'R as well as Glen Iris Services (188, 189).
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Off The Rails wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:26 pm
TP1462 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:25 pm
Basically yes. Jandakot is just another name for Canningvale, Gosnells with Southern River, Trigg with Karrinyup, Palmyra with Fremantle etc


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Jandakot is very much a different site to Canning Vale... The Jandakot Depot site is in the industrial area to the east of Kwinana Freeway, between Berrigan Drive and Armadale Road.

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So it is where Pilatus Street now runs through? Or where Bunnings Cockburn now stands? If PTA still owns the land, it can be used to house Cockburn routes (520/525/526/530/531/532/535/536) to reduce dead mileage for Palmyra.
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Enviro 500 wrote:If PTA still owns the land, it can be used to house Cockburn routes (520/525/526/530/531/532/535/536) to reduce dead mileage for Palmyra.
While that's possible, with the depot having been used by Swan Transit previously, I would tend to think it'd be more likely that could act as an additional depot for the Canning Contract. In saying that, though, I have heard rumours that suggest either the Fremantle or Canning Contract may be in line for a Jandakot depot in the future.

It's my understanding that Swan used to setup their own depots (e.g. North Fremantle) as a means of reducing dead running in their contracts (whether that's how Jandakot came to be, I am not sure). However, I recall the PTA now wish to control all their depots in order to level the playing field between potential bidders for the bus contracts in future. With all that in mind, does it make much sense for the Government to spend millions on a facility that reduces dead running costs for the contractors when they aren't even directly reimbursed for dead running?* What about other dead running extremes - almost anywhere in the Fremantle contract to the City (West Perth, East Perth/WACA, Busport, Elizabeth Quay)?

* The lack of payment for dead running is supposed to act as an incentive for the incumbent operator to be innovative, and organise their operation to avoid lengthy trips out of service. Routes like the 75 and 299 to Canning Vale and Kalamunda depots, respectively, are clever examples of that, and I'm sure regular users of the 555, 548 or 549 here have experienced a driver changeover at the Rockingham depot.
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1626 and an unknown O305 have collided on Ranford Rd this morning. 1 person taken to hospital.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/disast ... n=newspost

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Off The Rails wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:34 pm 1626 and an unknown O305 have collided on Ranford Rd this morning. 1 person taken to hospital.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/disast ... n=newspost

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Merc1107 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:46 am
Enviro 500 wrote:If PTA still owns the land, it can be used to house Cockburn routes (520/525/526/530/531/532/535/536) to reduce dead mileage for Palmyra.
While that's possible, with the depot having been used by Swan Transit previously, I would tend to think it'd be more likely that could act as an additional depot for the Canning Contract. In saying that, though, I have heard rumours that suggest either the Fremantle or Canning Contract may be in line for a Jandakot depot in the future.

It's my understanding that Swan used to setup their own depots (e.g. North Fremantle) as a means of reducing dead running in their contracts (whether that's how Jandakot came to be, I am not sure). However, I recall the PTA now wish to control all their depots in order to level the playing field between potential bidders for the bus contracts in future. With all that in mind, does it make much sense for the Government to spend millions on a facility that reduces dead running costs for the contractors when they aren't even directly reimbursed for dead running?* What about other dead running extremes - almost anywhere in the Fremantle contract to the City (West Perth, East Perth/WACA, Busport, Elizabeth Quay)?

* The lack of payment for dead running is supposed to act as an incentive for the incumbent operator to be innovative, and organise their operation to avoid lengthy trips out of service. Routes like the 75 and 299 to Canning Vale and Kalamunda depots, respectively, are clever examples of that, and I'm sure regular users of the 555, 548 or 549 here have experienced a driver changeover at the Rockingham depot.
Pretty sure Beenyup was built with this in mind. As for 75, that is a queer one now. Better to swap that for 177. Your mention of extremes also had me thinking about the 384-389 routes.
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Transperthpaperbus wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:36 pm
Off The Rails wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:34 pm 1626 and an unknown O305 have collided on Ranford Rd this morning. 1 person taken to hospital.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/disast ... n=newspost

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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:25 pm Ex-TP O305?
A photo on this WAtoday article provides the identity of the O305 as Horizons West's 73 (1EFY451), ex-STA Adelaide 1522/Serco 522.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:25 pm
Ex-TP O305? Anyway, Swan seems to have a run of bad luck lately. Apparently 1597 and 1598 were totalled when a truck ran into the back of one of them in front of Livingston last year.
Keep in mind that Swan Transit runs around half the fleet at the moment. Over 700 buses, each averaging ~200km every single day... When your fleet as a whole averages 150,000km every single day accidents are more or less guaranteed. It's just the way the world works. Same goes for all other operators.

Plus, as mentioned every time this topic comes up, just because accidents don't make the news doesn't mean they don't happen.
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