PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2021

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Woolies_truck wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:26 pm 1429, 2790 Welshpool > Malaga
1878,1879 Bayswater > Malaga
14xx at welshpool almost gone. also with the move of 1429 and 2790 will there are bus move to welshpool (2185 and 2186) for example
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2257,2258 Rockingham > Karrinyup
2086,2089 Karrinyup > Rockingham
1253, 1254 - Withdrawn
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pasha241 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:55 pm
Woolies_truck wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:26 pm 1429, 2790 Welshpool > Malaga
1878,1879 Bayswater > Malaga
14xx at welshpool almost gone. also with the move of 1429 and 2790 will there are bus move to welshpool (2185 and 2186) for example
Could also possibly be replacing older OC units.

I did see 1864 parked up next to withdrawn NH units 1568 and 1724 so it's a possibility it may have been withdrawn from service.
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pasha241 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:55 pm
Woolies_truck wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:26 pm 1429, 2790 Welshpool > Malaga
1878,1879 Bayswater > Malaga
14xx at welshpool almost gone. also with the move of 1429 and 2790 will there are bus move to welshpool (2185 and 2186) for example
1363-98 and 1430-4 are still at WP.
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Woolies_truck wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:06 pm 2257,2258 Rockingham > Karrinyup
2086,2089 Karrinyup > Rockingham
1253, 1254 - Withdrawn
What about 2256?
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1471 came back from refurb today, not going to regional wa
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1965-68 moved to Freo from Rocky
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2085 Karrinyup > Rockingham
2256 Rockingham > Karrinyup
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1255 Withdrawn.
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2309 seen completely stripped out of adverts. Could be getting refurbished soon.
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Woolies_truck wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:49 pm 1255 Withdrawn.
Meanwhile 1861-75 are still alive despite being from the same batch, which comprised Coachair-cooled units with single rear light fixtures (1234-1299, 1900-8, 1910-7, 1854-75).

1594-6, 1599-1601 and 1603 have retired early even though these were from a later batch that came with updated interior and twin rear light fixtures (1591-1627, 1876-7, 1909, 1918-9, 100-122).
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Enviro 500 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:19 pm Meanwhile 1861-75 are still alive despite being from the same batch, which comprised Coachair-cooled units with single rear light fixtures (1234-1299, 1900-8, 1910-7, 1854-75).

1594-6, 1599-1601 and 1603 have retired early even though these were from a later batch that came with updated interior and twin rear light fixtures (1591-1627, 1876-7, 1909, 1918-9, 100-122).
Yet again, withdrawals are based on the operators' needs for them. Path hasn't been allocated near as many new buses as Transdev (refer to 2992 sighted not too long ago, these buses allow withdrawals of their OCs and balance-off with transferred Swan OCs) and Swan (which again, displaced buses to withdraw their earlier OCs, although 3200s have slown down a bit); their last new bus was 2790 delivered in June.

Additionally, there is no point in comparing the withdrawal of 1255 with 1861 still being around, as perhaps that may have something to do with 1255 entering service in December of '04 and 1861 in service by October of '05.

There are also inconsistencies in your 'batch numbering.' Of the 1234-1299 batch, 1276 is the prototype Thermo King air-conditioned bus. 1910-1917 had single light fixtures, but had the updated interior and were midis destined for CAT services. Although they never ended up on CATs, the same updated interior and midi build applies to 1864-75, which were in fact a different batch from the pre-1863 buses. The updated interior is something that overlapped with midis appearing to receive the interiors first while full-length rigids received the old interior, with 1863 entering service in 12/05 with the old interior and 1864 in 10/05 with the new interior. As such, the interior cannot be used as a defining feature of old vs new batches. Note that 100-122 were initially CAT17-18, CAT20-21, CAT23-25, and CAT1-16, all of the original CAT batch and visibly different as midis, most are the same age as the 1864-75 batch which you classify as an older batch despite them having similar body dates, and only separated by abstract design decisions.

While you might be able to define it with lighting fixtures, it is just a difference that the bodybuilder, namely Volgren, would have specified from a certain time (seemingly April '06, 1875's body dated 04/06 would then be the last single-top-rear-fixture light bus as 1591 also arrived in 04/06) for any new bodies. Additionally, it's much easier to just batch-date from when buses entered service rather than trying to fix up some differences.

In the end, all of this batch numbering is pointless in regards to withdrawals. Whether by age or by feature, speculating which bus batch will go next is almost useless as it relies on new buses being delivered to the operator, and whether they need contingency buses set. Even then, we're not getting into the fact that 1188 and 1199 are still in service on the CATs despite the rest of the NHs all withdrawn. Back to observations, sorry mods.
I'd post any important, bus-related links I had, but they're outdated anyways.
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2991 delivered to Rockingham today
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sylar wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:20 pm 2991 delivered to Rockingham today
Replacing 2256 no doubt.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:34 pm
sylar wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:20 pm 2991 delivered to Rockingham today
Replacing 2256 no doubt.
If you match up the Rockingham B7s that have gone to Swan with the B8s that have been delivered you'd find that 2991 is in fact replacing 2259.
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To sum it all up 2988-90 replaced 2256-58, which displaced 1966-68 to Freo.

2991 displaced 1965 to Freo, while awiating 2259 should be sent to Karrinyup in the near future.
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komen_413 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:09 am To sum it all up 2988-90 replaced 2256-58, which displaced 1966-68 to Freo.

2991 displaced 1965 to Freo, while awiating 2259 should be sent to Karrinyup in the near future.
It would appear that 2084 <> 2259 is the next swap in that case.
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Buswest CVL1323 is being used as the Demons Bandwagon, presumably to transport patrons to/from Perth Stadium for the 2021 AFL Grand Final.

Adams Coachlines C109/1GPV732 now wears the Australian Pinnacle Tours livery, no longer in its Gray Line/corperate livery.
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Spotted Redcliffe bus 2731 doing a 344.
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komen_413 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:25 pm Spotted Redcliffe bus 2731 doing a 344.

Recent transfer to Malaga with 2788 going up to Kalamunda., 2362 moved from Kalamunda to Redcliffe
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Bus Suggestions wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:10 pm Both 2696 and 2440 have been retrofitted with new CCTV cameras, which are in a completely different style to both the new B8 contract cameras and the previous silver ones.
It has also been fitted on Transdev's 2913.
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Redcliffe bus 2390 spotted doing a 20. (Most likely a Malaga shift)

3001 has a new AOA sporting "Ethical Education"
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An unidentified CR228 Volvo on 42 has just been sighted with a Node One full-body advert.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:04 pm An unidentified CR228 Volvo on 42 has just been sighted with a Node One full-body advert.
Path Morley B7 2318.
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I think 2389 & 90 have moved to Malaga, seen them there for nearly a week and doing services around the area.
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