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Bus Suggestions wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:30 pm 2033 is back in service after the crash.
Don't tell me it's got the front end from 109 grafted on?
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I've no idea about that, I only saw it in service, didn't get to ride on it. It may have been, however it wouldn't have been grafted on. It would have simply been a little frame touch-up and some new panels, perhaps from 109. The damage wasn't enough for a graft.
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Zidanehartono wrote:Spotted 3212 this morning at Big Wheels in Welshpool.
Nothing unusual probably getting a wheel alignment before commissioning


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Bus Suggestions wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:30 pm 2033 is back in service after the crash.
Don't tell me it's got the front end from 109 grafted on?
Volgren has spares for these sorts of thing all panels are removable and interchangeable normally the bus will repaired, inspected and returned to service unless there is significant major structural damage to the chassis or engine like 1597/98


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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:16 pm Don't tell me it's got the front end from 109 grafted on?
Even if it did (which I VERY highly doubt it did), people (like us) would not have a clue, and the people in the know would not be allowed to say due to the company's social media policies.

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It wouldn't have the front from 0109 on it. 2033 is a Swan bus which means donor parts from dead vehicles come from Swan buses, not PATH buses.
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It's such a common occurrence, they need to have spares readily available. For every incident like 2033 that makes it onto the news there's 20 incidents that don't. Just a fact of life with a huge fleet that covers hundreds of thousands of kms every day...

I thought the topic of 109/2033 was brought up, and closed months ago anyway. Dunno why it was brought up again.
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1738 (Double Up Tours) spotted on William Street.
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2194 on 447 travelling on Warwick Road eastbound.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:50 pm 2194 on 447 travelling on Warwick Road eastbound.
There's a lot of shared running between Joondalup and Marmion these days, especially common seeing Joondalup stuff on Warwick routes. Not so much the other way, though. There are a few, but not many Marmion shifts that venture up to Joondy
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Squiddy wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:57 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:50 pm 2194 on 447 travelling on Warwick Road eastbound.
There's a lot of shared running between Joondalup and Marmion these days, especially common seeing Joondalup stuff on Warwick routes. Not so much the other way, though. There are a few, but not many Marmion shifts that venture up to Joondy
Marmion shifts venturing up north? Sounds like a 46* series deployment.

Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Marmion shifts venturing up north? Sounds like a 46* series deployment.
Given that every route that runs between Whitfords and Joondalup is a 46x...

I don't go up that way often (though shall start returning there soon now that the 1200's time is approaching), but the last time I did, Beenyup B8 2893 was on one of those shifts.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
Well, yeah. Other than Marmion/Joondalup (which is only a recent possibility) there aren't really any other contract areas that can realistically share much running.
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Squiddy wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:59 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Marmion shifts venturing up north? Sounds like a 46* series deployment.
Given that every route that runs between Whitfords and Joondalup is a 46x...

I don't go up that way often (though shall start returning there soon now that the 1200's time is approaching), but the last time I did, Beenyup B8 2893 was on one of those shifts.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
Well, yeah. Other than Marmion/Joondalup (which is only a recent possibility) there aren't really any other contract areas that can realistically share much running.
Path Transit used to practise cross deployment when they had both packages, IIRC.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
My guess is this is simply an efficient way to roster; perhaps it saves on dead running or might prevent instances where shifts comprise entirely of the same one or two runs, which can be unpopular with drivers.
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Merc1107 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:15 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
My guess is this is simply an efficient way to roster; perhaps it saves on dead running or might prevent instances where shifts comprise entirely of the same one or two runs, which can be unpopular with drivers.
I guess that's partly why 36 and 75 were deployed from Midvale and Canning Vale respectively when Swan Transit had Kalamunda in the past.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:57 am I guess that's partly why 36 and 75 were deployed from Midvale and Canning Vale respectively when Swan Transit had Kalamunda in the past.
Some history here to help with perspective:

Prior to 2012, the
36 and 75 were part of the Claremont/Belmont contract area. When the tenders were put up in 2011, Claremont/Belmont was split into two areas with the Belmont side being combined with the current Kalamunda area. It was then renamed to New Kalamunda which was later shortened to it's current name.
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busdriver12 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:13 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:57 am I guess that's partly why 36 and 75 were deployed from Midvale and Canning Vale respectively when Swan Transit had Kalamunda in the past.
Some history here to help with perspective:

Prior to 2011, the
36 and 75 were part of the Claremont/Belmont contract area. When the tenders were put up in 2011, Claremont/Belmont was split into two areas with the Belmont side being combined with the current Kalamunda area. It was then renamed to New Kalamunda which was later shortened to it's current name.


I remember seeing an old tender document dating back to 2006 regarding the contract for Claremont expiring that year.

The tenders for 2011 involved only Marmion and Joondalup. Kalamunda was farmed out the following year, along with Fremantle.

Prior to 2011, the areas from Midland down to Armadale were contiguous, allowing the operator in charge to practise global running. I have taken CV buses on 32 and 34 and might even have seen a Midvale bus on 294. Also spotted occasional Welshpool buses on 100, 507 and 508.
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Welshpool used to exclusively run the 507 and had 1x peak hour 508F. 32's and 34's were shared between WP, BK, CV and SR. Midvale exclusively ran the 294, apart from 1 trip for a short period which was on a Southern River shift.

PATH used to share running between Malaga and Bayswater Depots, as well as Karrinyup, Joondalup, Wangara and Nowergup depots.
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Bus-1809 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:46 am PATH used to share running between Malaga and Bayswater Depots, as well as Karrinyup, Joondalup, Wangara and Nowergup depots.
Now Karrinyup, Beenyup, Joondalup and Wanneroo depots are under Swan Transit. The shared runs are making a comeback.

If Path Transit manage to grab Canning and Southern River we will be seeing shared running return to the 32, 34, 75, 100 and 507.

If Morley and Midland ever come under a single operator we might see cross deployment of resources on 955.
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Bus-1809 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:46 am Welshpool used to exclusively run the 507 and had 1x peak hour 508F. 32's and 34's were shared between WP, BK, CV and SR. Midvale exclusively ran the 294, apart from 1 trip for a short period which was on a Southern River shift.
The 507 was run by Welshpool because it was designated as an accessible service at the time. There was not enough available low floor buses at Beckenham and Canning Vale at the time (Beckenham was predominately Renaults in those days and most of Canning Vale's fleet was committed to the Circle Route).

Towards the end of Swan's tenure, there were some
294 trips run by Beckenham and Canning Vale as well as Southern River.
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busdriver12 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:46 pm
Bus-1809 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:46 am Welshpool used to exclusively run the 507 and had 1x peak hour 508F. 32's and 34's were shared between WP, BK, CV and SR. Midvale exclusively ran the 294, apart from 1 trip for a short period which was on a Southern River shift.
The 507 was run by Welshpool because it was designated as an accessible service at the time. There was not enough available low floor buses at Beckenham and Canning Vale at the time (Beckenham was predominately Renaults in those days and most of Canning Vale's fleet was committed to the Circle Route).

Towards the end of Swan's tenure, there were some
294 trips run by Beckenham and Canning Vale as well as Southern River.
All the Renaults in Canning package were replaced by B7Rs carrying registration numbers from 2465 onwards.
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BD12, wasn't there a period where Midvale would do 294T-229F-229T-294F on a Saturday? I think another depot (maybe Beckenham or CV) would do 229T-294F-294T-229F at the same time?
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Squiddy wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:59 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Marmion shifts venturing up north? Sounds like a 46* series deployment.
Given that every route that runs between Whitfords and Joondalup is a 46x...

I don't go up that way often (though shall start returning there soon now that the 1200's time is approaching), but the last time I did, Beenyup B8 2893 was on one of those shifts.

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Enviro 500 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:21 pm
Still, the most number of shared runs has to be Canning and Southern River. I see it all the time in Thornlie. Routes that are nominally Southern River (Gas depot) have mostly Volvo fleets, which are from Beckenham and Canning Vale.
Well, yeah. Other than Marmion/Joondalup (which is only a recent possibility) there aren't really any other contract areas that can realistically share much running.
Just looking forward if Swan have some shared runs between Bennyup and Ellenbrook trips such as the route 355 etc.
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