[Mar/Apr 2019] SA Transport observations

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Torrens Transit will over the next couple of months take delivery of 6 new Custom CB80 K360UA Articulated buses, with 4 to be O-Bahn operated.
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busrider wrote:Fleet lists shows them as having 21 seats with wheelchair bays, but yes, they're BCI Proma Low Floors.
So nearly a direct replacement for the 11.190's. Quite limiting really as there are many routes they would be unsuitable for re loadings.
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The midis were already displaced by CB80s built from 2014-2016. The 2nd jackpot CB80 (1942) was possible the last midi replacement delivered new to TT.

So somehow I doubt they'll replacing midis that are now nonexistent at Lonsdale.
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Don’t forget about a dozen of the Midis are all revved up an ready to go for the 3 week Adelaide to Brighton rail closure around Easter time. Not sure if the Midis will be doing the rail subs or whether they’ll be doing regular route work to free up rigid/artics for rail subs.
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TT wrote:Don’t forget about a dozen of the Midis are all revved up an ready to go for the 3 week Adelaide to Brighton rail closure around Easter time. Not sure if the Midis will be doing the rail subs or whether they’ll be doing regular route work to free up rigid/artics for rail subs.
I imagine Torrens Transit's Artics R803--R806 will be used on rail subs.
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Possibly. They’ve got R807 and R808 as well. I’m assuming Southlink are doing the rail subs, but as it’s only Adel to Brighton maybe Torrens have got the gig?
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No. There's an expression of interest list at Lonsdale for anyone willing to do rail sub work. As such I'm assuming SL has the job.
TA3001 wrote:The midis were already displaced by CB80s built from 2014-2016. The 2nd jackpot CB80 (1942) was possible the last midi replacement delivered new to TT. So somehow I doubt they'll replacing midis that are now nonexistent at Lonsdale.
My point was that having got rid of the midis there is now a chance some will return, albeit in the guise of a nice new bus. They'll still be limited in what they can do and this is where a potential future issue lies. Can't see them being big enough for rail sub work and probably wouldn't really work on regular routes either.
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Work on the new bus layover depot on Railway Terrace Mile End, is progressing fairly well with units for bus drivers to eat,rest installed this week. The Bus stabling area is almost ready for ashphalting.
The site will have 8 tracks so will have plenty of layover areas,as well as areas for bus laying over for short meal breaks.
I would say it would be finished by the end of May or possibly earlier.
I imagine Southlink will use it for Hills buses that currently layover in various City and nearby areas.
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Spotted Scania BusTech 1999 (Rego XS03BG) in service this afternoon, doing a 157 and 144G when I saw it.
I guess we now all wait with anticipation of what fleet number the next BusTech rigid will be bearing?
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TT wrote:Spotted Scania BusTech 1999 (Rego XS03BG) in service this afternoon, doing a 157 and 144G when I saw it.
I guess we now all wait with anticipation of what fleet number the next BusTech rigid will be bearing?
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1020--? or 1600--?
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With about 58 or so to be delivered, it would be strange as to have 1601-1658 with a 2 digit gap. Perhaps this will happen after the CNG NLs are retired, unless there is a smaller order, such as to replace the early (accessible) PMC NL202s.

But it did seem just as weird to see 1200 onwards in 2006 when there were B59s sporting these numbers less than 5 years prior. It makes sense to use 1020-1077 or whatever, as there is more room for expansion whilst more MANs are sadly retired.
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TA3001 wrote:With about 58 or so to be delivered, it would be strange as to have 1601-1658 with a 2 digit gap. Perhaps this will happen after the CNG NLs are retired, unless there is a smaller order, such as to replace the early (accessible) PMC NL202s.

But it did seem just as weird to see 1200 onwards in 2006 when there were B59s sporting these numbers less than 5 years prior. It makes sense to use 1020-1077 or whatever, as there is more room for expansion whilst more MANs are sadly retired.
The numbering system is all over the place from my understanding back in 2000 the numbering were as follows

100-999 Serco
1000-1999 Torrens Transit
2000-2999 Southlink
3000-3999 TransitPlus ( that became Southlink Hills)

Hmmm look what happened from when TT got the contract from Serco in 2005 which gave TT a mixture of ex Serco Buses still with their current Serco fleet numbers present to this day

Can Torrens Transit go into the 2000 series and would it really matter? Transit Systems Sydney is confusing with combining ex S.T.A (Sydney Buses fleet) and intercepting with TSA's fleet numbers there is two 1117's
but I must admit there are quite a number of gaps in the Torrens Transit fleet.
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At least its not Transdev in Melbourne with 38 or 380 put at the start of many fleet numbers to make a 6 digit fleet number
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howlerbus wrote:At least its not Transdev in Melbourne with 38 or 380 put at the start of many fleet numbers to make a 6 digit fleet number
London Buses have similar scenarios ,often with letters as well.
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TT wrote:Spotted Scania BusTech 1999 (Rego XS03BG) in service this afternoon, doing a 157 and 144G when I saw it.
I guess we now all wait with anticipation of what fleet number the next BusTech rigid will be bearing?
I would think 1020 upwards would make sense or even 1040 upwards if they wanted to leave room for any potential new artics to follow on from 1015. I think using the 10** series numbers would be easiest and less messy but we will see!
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jibb wrote:Work on the new bus layover depot on Railway Terrace Mile End, is progressing fairly well
The site will have 8 tracks so will have plenty of layover areas,as well as areas for bus laying over for short meal breaks.
Do you know how many spaces will be on each track?
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Very hard to tell from the drawing of the layout,but my guess is at least 8-9 rigid buses long on 5 of the tracks, less probably 5 on the others. Correction it is 9 tracks not 8..
In small print I have found it says the depot's capacity is 77 rigid buses and 43 Artics-so quite large.
If O-Bahn buses use it,instead of Clarendon Street they will require more buses for the O-Bahn because of the extra distance, as there is nowhere else in that area for them to layover between trips.
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MAN SL202 buses 1637 and 1640 have joined the other retired 1600's at Morphettville Depot.
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Skexis wrote:My point was that having got rid of the midis there is now a chance some will return, albeit in the guise of a nice new bus. They'll still be limited in what they can do and this is where a potential future issue lies. Can't see them being big enough for rail sub work and probably wouldn't really work on regular routes either.
Sorry for the late comment. I know it may take some jiggling of operating timetables, but I can see the Midi's operating such routes as 640, 681, 682, 683, 725, 737, 743, 745 and 747. You would need to make sure that there is not the potential for heavy loads, and this could free up some rigids for normal work and the artics for rail sub work.

BTW - Why cant they run 3000 class cars on the Tonsley Line during the shut down?
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TT wrote:Spotted Scania BusTech 1999 (Rego XS03BG) in service this afternoon, doing a 157 and 144G when I saw it.
I guess we now all wait with anticipation of what fleet number the next BusTech rigid will be bearing?
Will Morphettville eventually get some Bustechs to replace their SL202's? I'm a bit surprised they haven't got any yet.
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transenthusiast wrote:
TT wrote:Spotted Scania BusTech 1999 (Rego XS03BG) in service this afternoon, doing a 157 and 144G when I saw it.
I guess we now all wait with anticipation of what fleet number the next BusTech rigid will be bearing?
Will Morphettville eventually get some Bustechs to replace their SL202's? I'm a bit surprised they haven't got any yet.
The first of Morphettville"s MAN SL202 is 851 and is due to be retired in June-so we would expect to see Bustech Scanias then.
The new numbering for Scania Bustechs started today with the number 1021.
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Not news I was ever looking forward to, but it's exactly what I thought would be the case. There isn't enough room anywhere else in the 1000 series number range for consistent numbering of 75+ new buses (taking into account the earlier NL202s).

I would expect the ones displacing the diesel NLs to be numbered from 1534 onwards up to 1599, and then continuing into the 1600 range. Hopefully not just an endless supply of the same Scanias that are entering service now.
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Noticed today ex Southlink 2453 and i few new BCI Scanias sitting at mile end depot fence i would presume this has been transferred there
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jibb wrote:MAN SL202 buses 1637 and 1640 have joined the other retired 1600's at Morphettville Depot.
1638 is there too.
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Former driver37 wrote:Noticed today ex Southlink 2453 and i few new BCI Scanias sitting at mile end depot fence i would presume this has been transferred there
In addition to 1021 at Mile End Depot,1020 and 1022 are also there ready to go into service.
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