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That sounds fairly obvious, but it's a clear indication that there is simply too much excess time in some timetables.

The DPTI obviously doesn't give a toss, and continues to permit all this unnecessary laying over.
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Former driver37 wrote:N721 is only on a Saturday night after midnight these services are on a very tight schedule due to the fact they want to get passengers home safely ASAP not having to sit at timing points with passengers that have had a few drinks it was designed as a safety to other pax and driver
Having caught a couple of these buses, the timetable is impossible from the city to Marion. I've even used Google Maps to check out the travel time to Marion (assuming non-stop) at that time of morning, and the time is longer than the actual timetabled time, which is supposed to include time for stopping and dropping off! One time I used my phone's GPS to track the bus and the driver was doing 68km/h along South Rd at Edwardstown. The driver was throwing the bus around corners, bouncing all over the place with each pothole or manhole, and slamming the brakes on approaching stops to try to keep to schedule (and was still 5-6 late at Marion).

I'm not sure how the timings are beyond Marion as I've never travelled further on this bus, but surely setting a schedule that is impossible to keep to theoretically encourages drivers to speed or otherwise drive unsafely. If safety with drunk passengers on board is an issue when stopping at timepoints (which I doubt would be as big an issue as suggested) then surely the timetable should have approximate timepoints so that the driver doesn't have to wait at any, without encouraging them to speed. After all, how many passengers would be catching outbound buses outside of the city at that time on a Sunday morning that the bus would have to adhere to timepoints anyway?
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TA3001 wrote:That sounds fairly obvious, but it's a clear indication that there is simply too much excess time in some timetables.

The DPTI obviously doesn't give a toss, and continues to permit all this unnecessary laying over.
Is it the same trips, at the same time, every day? Speaking to a driver who is a mate of mine, he says that traffic conditions vary a lot from day to day. One day, you might get along South Rd quickly and be 3 or 4 minutes early, the next traffic is a lot heavier with stop-start traffic and you are 5 late and rushing to catch up after this.

How are timetablers supposed to cater for peak traffic volumes which can vary so much?
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I've seen more extreme examples of speeding. Not so much with Southlink drivers, but it's not unheard of. One example is a driver doing almost 80kph along Henley Beach Rd in 842 (now withdrawn) once in an attempt to make up time. It would almost seem like next to no effort is made to actually keep track of obvious consistencies with early/late running. Schedules that are impossible to keep to will push almost any driver to the limit, more so when there's no little to no traffic around.

Some bus drivers just don't get the fact that safety is paramount, and they should respect the law regardless of how late they're running. All they need to do is radio up, explain the reason for the late running, and carry on without speeding/endangering innocent passengers.

It sounds like many of the schedules need a review and complete rework. I know that conditions vary, but the consistent laying over for 5 minutes or longer at Old Reynella in the evening is just ridiculous. Sounds like an imbalance to me.

Having more approximate timepoints is not a bad idea, especially in the outer suburbs. But it does risk occasional unruly behaviour from passengers wishing to board at random stops. I'm not sure how this would work with inbound runs either.
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How many of the ex. Darwin MAN NL202s remain in service with Torrens now?
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Six: 1351, 1353, 1354, 1355, 1356, 1357. All based at Camden Park depot
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Any news on the two electrics?
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How did the 173 (Glynde) turn around to commence its citybound runs? And what about those 177 feeders?
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I recall seeing a pot hook for the 173 (Glynde) to turn right into Montacute Rd. Looking at a street directory; presumably from Payneham Rd, R Montacute Rd, L Piccadily Cres, L Lower North East Rd, Payneham Rd.
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The Phonj wrote:I recall seeing a pot hook for the 173 (Glynde) to turn right into Montacute Rd. Looking at a street directory; presumably from Payneham Rd, R Montacute Rd, L Piccadily Cres, L Lower North East Rd, Payneham Rd.
Thanks John. From what I recall I saw in the 90s there was pothook signs for 174 but I don't think it ran at the time because 175 (Dernancourt) was the regular service, I take it 174 was an old short working
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Just before stop 18 / 18C Lower North East Rd heading outbound, there is a bus stop that says 'Feeder bus stop'. Would this have related to 173 services terminating at Glynde at some point? Obviously if they were turning around via Montacute Rd, then they wouldn't pass this side of Lower North East Rd, but I wonder what would have used that feeder bus stop previously?
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Eagle Eye wrote:Just before stop 18 / 18C Lower North East Rd heading outbound, there is a bus stop that says 'Feeder bus stop'. Would this have related to 173 services terminating at Glynde at some point? Obviously if they were turning around via Montacute Rd, then they wouldn't pass this side of Lower North East Rd, but I wonder what would have used that feeder bus stop previously?
I recall 177 running as feeders outside peak hour. 173 if I recall terminated at the Felixstow Woolworths.

By the way I am puzzled that the latest Athelstone route is 176 , the previous 176 went via Clairville Road and Hambledon Road whereas the 177 was the one that went via Cresdee Avenue.
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Eurostar wrote:I recall 177 running as feeders outside peak hour. 173 if I recall terminated at the Felixstow Woolworths.

By the way I am puzzled that the latest Athelstone route is 176 , the previous 176 went via Clairville Road and Hambledon Road whereas the 177 was the one that went via Cresdee Avenue.
Once a route number is discontinued; it's fair game for something else; that may be slightly different or even not be related to the previous incarnation.

163 is a good example; currently City to West Beach; previously City to Aldgate. Other examples include 110, 600, 203, 206, 320, 140, 197. There may be others.
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Apart from No's 3270, 3310, 3311; which other SouthLink Hills division rigid's have the Country ticket system in them please?
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3203, 3205, 3210, 3211, 3269, 3271, 3272, 3273
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Thanks for that
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J1 J2 J7 J8 routes, which depot(s) feed buses in service to these routes?
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kaurna wrote:J1 J2 J7 J8 routes, which depot(s) feed buses in service to these routes?
J!-J2 routes are currently serviced by St Agnes, Edinburgh,Morphettville Depots. As for J7-J8 any (non-O-Bahn) Depot can service these routes.
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Port depot also does a few J1 services.
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South Rd Stop 24 down - pretty good candidate to have the stop indented into the sidewalk as there's plenty of room. Wonder why they didn't do it?
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Does anybody know if there is any of the Man sl 202 diesels that haven't been sold and if so how would i go about purchasing one?
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Does anybody know if there is any of the Man sl 202 diesels that haven't been sold and if so how would i go about purchasing one?
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You want two?
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I would suspect that the duplicated post is due to the terminal error with this forum's software.

I hope 432 and 438 don't end up as dog food cans.
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Fleet lists is your friend...
http://fleetlists.busaustralia.com/sa.php?search=PBUS

As for whether any are still available for purchase; your best bet is contacting DPTI. The ones already bought had to be tendered for, unfortunately I’m not sure how one goes about doing so
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