Life expectancy of BT B10Ls

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Life expectancy of BT B10Ls

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Wondering what the fates of some of the B10Ls that are still on the allocation list on BT Buses but not on the road? With the speed of replacing the Metroliners, I can't see BT spending additional money on the "Lemons"?

550 crashed into the Punjabi Palace restaurant in February 2013 and last I saw of it was parked at the back of Richlands Depot - BT Buses has it listed as at "Workshops" but I would have thought it would have been written off by now.

560 (the old CitySights bus) is listed as "Withdrawn" on BT Buses but still is in the BT Buses Allocation list. Do BT still have this unit?

554, 557 and 558 have been listed at "Workshops" for some months now - are these ever likely to be placed back in service?
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560 went to manheim with the volgren b10l's
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I would have thought the B10Ls would be around for 2-3 years yet. The thing they have going for them is they are low floor which would be an advantage in this day and age. Unlike the poor old Metroliners.
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The low floor is about the only thing going for them. I avoid them if at all possible especially in hot weather.
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don't hate on me for this!!...
But personally i like them, there sort of a unique bt bus more so than any of the others currently on the road.
Also, why is bt spending the money painting them when that money could be spent on repairs??
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I agree with northside_brisbus here.
The B10L is not a bad bus, although the air-conditioning is a bit gutless in some. I had 576 on a morning 160 and the A/C was nice and cold, the thermostat was showing 20.1C

The buses that really need to see some care is the Scanias. Some of those could do with a fresh coat of paint, some bench seats and maybe a nice new Mobitec desto, like 639 has.
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The way things are going I'd be surprised if there were ANY gas Scanias left in the fleet in 5-6 years time. Doubt much will be done to them.
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Well by then the Scanias will almost be 20-21 yrs old, delivered 2000 to 2005.
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The question is, will the Scanias last even that long? some of them are going alright, but 2021-2026 is a long time away for something that is struggling now. There are a few already that are non-operational and are for parts. Most are in the 7XX series.
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Are there any more of these expected to be repainted into the blue, yellow and white livery?
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James00 wrote:Are there any more of these expected to be repainted into the blue, yellow and white livery?
As some of the ones that were repainted (554, 557 and 558) have been listed as at "Workshops" on BT Buses for the past 12 months or so, I wouldn't expect any more to be done.

Fewer and fewer seem to be on the roads at present due to the number of B7s that have been transferred to Sherwood in the past couple of months.
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One for one replacement and no new significant service upgrades due would tend to the conclusion the Metros and B10Ls may all be off the road by the end of 2015 and that the oldest bus in the fleet would be a Scania. Assuming there is actually a Brisbane Transport fleet as such by then.
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08 XDi wrote:One for one replacement and no new significant service upgrades due would tend to the conclusion the Metros and B10Ls may all be off the road by the end of 2015 and that the oldest bus in the fleet would be a Scania. Assuming there is actually a Brusbane Transport fleet as such by then.
Of course there will be a Brisbane Transport Fleet in 2015.
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The B10L's have the same running gear as the Sydney B10BLE's. They should have at least a couple of more years in them yet, considering they are only 14-17 years old, are wheelchair accessible & have A/C.

Regarding the Scania's, do you guys have any starting issues with the L94's? The CNG Artic in Perth used to give nothing but trouble if it was switched off for any reason...
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08 XDi wrote:One for one replacement and no new significant service upgrades due would tend to the conclusion the Metros and B10Ls may all be off the road by the end of 2015 and that the oldest bus in the fleet would be a Scania. Assuming there is actually a Brusbane Transport fleet as such by then.
BT seems to have an overpopulation of buses anyway - I can count at least 25 buses that seem to have been off the road for at least 5-6 months:

B10Ls - 554, 557, 558, 586, 593.
Scanias - 626, 631, 675, 684, 685, 691, 715, 717, 718, 722, 737, 747, 754, 759, 777, 797, 804, 809, 815, 817.
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Bus 1809 wrote:
The B10L's have the same running gear as the Sydney B10BLE's.
Almost, the diff housing in a L is a portal design to allow a low floor at the rear which could not be utilised because we have door on the left side not the right and rear half of the chassis is different and the fan system as well
The LE is just that Low Entry and uses anormal differential which makes the rear higher.
They should have at least a couple of more years in them yet, considering they are only 14-17 years old, are wheelchair accessible & have A/C.
They should and will have quite a few more years in them maybe not with BT though!
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daveeyh wrote:
08 XDi wrote:One for one replacement and no new significant service upgrades due would tend to the conclusion the Metros and B10Ls may all be off the road by the end of 2015 and that the oldest bus in the fleet would be a Scania. Assuming there is actually a Brusbane Transport fleet as such by then.
BT seems to have an overpopulation of buses anyway - I can count at least 25 buses that seem to have been off the road for at least 5-6 months:

B10Ls - 554, 557, 558, 586, 593.
Scanias - 626, 631, 675, 684, 685, 691, 715, 717, 718, 722, 737, 747, 754, 759, 777, 797, 804, 809, 815, 817.
B7 - 1921
1921 is off the road cause it sustained quite a bit of rear end damage in an accident. Could possibly be withdrawn since it happened quite a while ago.
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L433 wrote:
08 XDi wrote:One for one replacement and no new significant service upgrades due would tend to the conclusion the Metros and B10Ls may all be off the road by the end of 2015 and that the oldest bus in the fleet would be a Scania. Assuming there is actually a Brusbane Transport fleet as such by then.
Of course there will be a Brisbane Transport Fleet in 2015.
There will be a fleet of buses in Brisbane in 2015. It is far from a certainty that Brisbane Transport will be operating them at this point.
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Bt gone next year? Sounds optimistic.
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BCC will always have control of the Bus Fleet in Brisbane, it would be a very brave and unelectable City Council if they decided to sell off the buses.
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L433 wrote:BCC will always have control of the Bus Fleet in Brisbane, it would be a very brave and unelectable City Council if they decided to sell off the buses.
If it came, I don't think it would be a council decision; rather a case that TransLink calls tenders for the provision of services and BCC/BT miss out on all (although more likely some) of the services that it currently provides.
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L433 wrote:
BCC will always have control of the Bus Fleet in Brisbane, it would be a very brave and unelectable City Council if they decided to sell off the buses.
Yep, they also will not be replacing the Trams with Buses, and selling off Light St Bus Depot and Bowen Hills depot due to their close proximity to the city.
It has always been a hot political potato, at least three times in the last 50 years there have been moves by the State or an entity and a major announcement to take over the running of BCC bus services, for whatever reasons previous attempts have not eventuated/succeeded.

Way back when the BCC started the Council themselves were the reluctant recipient of the Tramway Trust from the State Government back in 1925.

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Even Campbell tried to flip them at one point. Unfortunately Anna declined.
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There you have it, you mentioned the defective defector, Ms Anna who was part of the biggest problem with the State run Queensland Transport.

Look at 2109 when you see it, the Translink sticker sun burning down on Qld Government has been replaced by the State Coat of Arms again. That Hot sun symbol a legacy of Peter "Smart State" Beattie. That and a few other changes apparently!

There are now quite a few B10L's removed from service, would anyone have an idea of where they have all gone and to where?
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There was heaps of lemons sitting in the outside lanes near the V Scania's at Sherwood when I went past on Sunday so I presume those lemons are dead. Can't see the numbers from a distance but I presume they are most of the Sherwood allocated ones. Sherwood appear to be lending most of their few remaining Lemons to South West Transit too.
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