A few diesels in Lithgow.

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A few diesels in Lithgow.

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I always found those 48 types a fascinating loco. I bet the driver doesn't enjoy a great view out front though. It'd be a blast riding on that gangway with the diesel laden wind in your hair! :P
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I think it's sister 48 in orange is still shunting the XPT's at Meeks Rd
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What is the purpose of those rubber mounted illuminated numbers? To me, they have always taken the place of headlights on a road vehicle as being the " eyes" on its face.
On other trains like the 44 loco pictured above, the front windows are the "eyes".
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Swift wrote:It'd be a blast riding on that gangway with the diesel laden wind in your hair! :P
Not at 3am looking through the fog in the middle of winter for the bridge where you have to jump off not much of a blast :lol:
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Swift wrote:I always found those 48 types a fascinating loco. I bet the driver doesn't enjoy a great view out front though.
The drivers of that era wouldn't have seen any more out the cab of a steam engine. A 38 class (or imagine a 58 class) boiler would be longer than that.
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I'd say the cab of an AD60 would be worse, as those are longer :O ;)
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The 48 is a leap into the space age compared to that hideous looking behemoth you describe :!:
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boronia wrote:
Swift wrote:I always found those 48 types a fascinating loco. I bet the driver doesn't enjoy a great view out front though.
The drivers of that era wouldn't have seen any more out the cab of a steam engine. A 38 class (or imagine a 58 class) boiler would be longer than that.
Actually, I'm surprised the "safety regulators" haven't come up with some requirement to have a TV camera out front with a screen in the cab.
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boronia wrote: Actually, I'm surprised the "safety regulators" haven't come up with some requirement to have a TV camera out front with a screen in the cab.
I'm surprised about that too. BR had a similar predicament with their single-cabbed Class 20 diesels; to solve the visibility issues they configured them so that the leading locomotive would have its cab up front and the nose up back, and vice versa for the locomotive it was paired to (as they could work in multiple unit formation). The ones in service today do of course have cameras mounted up front to solve the visibility issues they have when driven "nose first". Below is a pic of a typical way these were operated:
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I guess it just seems more "normal" to drive the 48s nose first-from all the pics I've seen on the web of class 48s I've never seen them operate in a fashion similar to the BR Class 20s.
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Hi Swift
Swift wrote:I never knew the government still owned any locomotives. Must be for shunting purposes.
The two 48s are maintained by NSW Trainlink for track work duties mainly.

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crazyturbo76 wrote:
I guess it just seems more "normal" to drive the 48s nose first-from all the pics I've seen on the web of class 48s I've never seen them operate in a fashion similar to the BR Class 20s.
It was usual for 48s (other similar hood units) to operate to operate short end leading, but it was not always possible to turn them around at the end of a trip, so there was still a lot of long end leading operation. The "second person" in the cab was expected to be alert as the driver. Later trials with single person crews necessitated a full width cab, and back to back units.

Again, it was not uncommon to see hood units coupled back to back, but there also the consensus that if the leading unit broke down, it was better to have the cab of the second unit facing forward so the train could be driven from there.

"Safety" issues were not a major concern in those days.
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48 and 49 Class were built as Dual Control therefore they could operate in either direction.
Classed as Left Hand Drive Short Hood Leading, whereas the Victorian Railways T and X Class were classed as Right Hand Drive Long Hood Leading, they were Single Control.
Therefore the driver could see the Signals down the long Hood and across the Short Hood when running Short Hood Leading.
Unfortunately the first fifteen T Class Built by Clyde were built Left Hand Drive Short Hood Leading due a mix up in interpretation of the Specification
If I remember correctly it only stated Left Hand Drive without nominating which direction.
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remember seeing b65 sat in Cootamundra yard for a long while wonder were it went......................inspector were they taken in the yard ..............or on a public roadway .........P.S GREAT PICS AS ALLWAYS...................
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captainch wrote:remember seeing b65 sat in Cootamundra yard for a long while wonder were it went......................inspector were they taken in the yard ..............or on a public roadway .........P.S GREAT PICS AS ALLWAYS...................
The shots of the B & 48 were taken in the yard while the GM was taken through a fence from roadside
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Here's a shot of 4819's stablemate 4827 running light engine through Werrington today:
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It's a shame 4827 and 4819 can't be coupled together to pull a few wheat or coal wagons for old times sake.
Are the 48s as powerful as the 44s?
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Swift wrote:It's a shame 4827 and 4819 can't be coupled together to pull a few wheat or coal wagons for old times sake.
Are the 48s as powerful as the 44s?
No, they have engines half the size of the big 44s-6 cylinders compared to the big V12s in the 44s. The 48s only produce around 950 hp (710 kW) for traction compared to the 1,800 hp (1,340 kW) for traction offered by the 44s.

The 48s were originally intended for use as branch line engines, hence the weaker prime mover. The similar 45s on the other hand had the big Alco twelves...
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Swift wrote:It's a shame 4827 and 4819 can't be coupled together to pull a few wheat or coal wagons for old times sake.
Are the 48s as powerful as the 44s?
I have seen them both together in the past on Railcorp track work trains
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I had no idea there were two versions of this body type with such vastly different power ratings!!
Is there any advantage to a coupling of 48s over a single 44 or 45?
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crazyturbo76 wrote:No, they have engines half the size of the big 44s-6 cylinders compared to the big V12s in the 44s. The 48s only produce around 950 hp (710 kW) for traction compared to the 1,800 hp (1,340 kW) for traction offered by the 44s.
Don't the 44s produce 1,950 HP, of which 1,800 is available for use?

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crazyturbo76 wrote:No, they have engines half the size of the big 44s-6 cylinders compared to the big V12s in the 44s. The 48s only produce around 950 hp (710 kW) for traction compared to the 1,800 hp (1,340 kW) for traction offered by the 44s.
Don't the 44s produce 1,950 HP, of which 1,800 is available for use?

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Rclasstramcar wrote:
crazyturbo76 wrote:No, they have engines half the size of the big 44s-6 cylinders compared to the big V12s in the 44s. The 48s only produce around 950 hp (710 kW) for traction compared to the 1,800 hp (1,340 kW) for traction offered by the 44s.
Don't the 44s produce 1,950 HP, of which 1,800 is available for use?

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Yeah, that's why I stated that the power listed there was for traction.
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