Royal Park tram collision
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Royal Park tram collision
A truck carrying beer has collided with a tram in Royal Park, can't see what tram number it is from the photos so far though.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/stat ... 7194130432
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Once it hits the ground it's free...
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Hope there was no injuries.
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Hope there was no injuries.
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The tram number is irrelevant in a situation like this. The driver escaped with just cuts to the leg
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Irrelevant? Just curious man :/maxy54 wrote:The tram number is irrelevant in a situation like this. The driver escaped with just cuts to the leg
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I don't want to start an argument here, however this is a transport forum and things such as vehicle/fleet numbers are relevant especially when involved in an incident like this.maxy54 wrote:The tram number is irrelevant in a situation like this
Its always good to know which particular tram is affected
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It's even better to not rubberneck around collisions for photographs.
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Whilst the priority is whether anyone was injured or worse, and to offer one's condolences for the injured and others involved, I think I'd agree that on a transport forum the tram number may be relevant to many of the clientele that frequent this forum. In this instance it seems to be a Z3 with the older YT livery which means one less opportunity to photograph the rapidly fading past.
TBH if I was to suggest any comment was the most inappropriate, it would be Dex' comment about driving down for free beer rather than on topic queries about the tram number (and that is not to suggest I had a problem with the free beer comment either!) Yet the concern seems to be that it is inappropriate to ask about the details of the incident?
Having said all that, of course I am glad there were only minor injuries, and I wish a speedy recovery to those involved.
TBH if I was to suggest any comment was the most inappropriate, it would be Dex' comment about driving down for free beer rather than on topic queries about the tram number (and that is not to suggest I had a problem with the free beer comment either!) Yet the concern seems to be that it is inappropriate to ask about the details of the incident?
Having said all that, of course I am glad there were only minor injuries, and I wish a speedy recovery to those involved.
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Here is more pics from someone I know IRL from @thanhhungho
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it will be looks going to be withdrawn & written off, hope insurance will get another E series trams to be replacement.
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Here is another shot of 205 from trams down under its certainly a mangled mess and a shot of 205 in MET livery with trolley pole from flickr one thing the old Z3 were built with strength to take a impact like that.I hate think if this was a bus and the beer truck.And what got me are the comments that said in that twitter link by clowns about beer.
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I don't think there is any insurance on these trams. In any event, after more than 30 years in service, the written down value would be close to zero. This is why it is likely to be repaired and action taken against the party that caused the accident in order to recover the costs. The deeper the pockets of that party, especially if they have insurance, the more chance of the recovery of some of the costs.superbossgc wrote:it will be looks going to be withdrawn & written off, hope insurance will get another E series trams to be replacement.
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So that makes 205 the second Z3 in history to go down...
Tongue-in-cheek here, but does anyone think this would have happened if this was a truck carrying cigarette packets or poker machines?
Tongue-in-cheek here, but does anyone think this would have happened if this was a truck carrying cigarette packets or poker machines?
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This tram (205) Derailed in the city in 2002, not as bad as this oneHeihachi_73 wrote:So that makes 205 the second Z3 in history to go down...
Tongue-in-cheek here, but does anyone think this would have happened if this was a truck carrying cigarette packets or poker machines?
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The trams would have to be insured,
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The Government would have some sort of insuarnce cover for the entire fleet, perhaps just Third Party Property for a 30 year old vehicle.
Has it been determined who was at fault? There may be other factors at play here.
Has it been determined who was at fault? There may be other factors at play here.
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unfortunately we will never hear the end of the report.
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I gather the government operated tramway organisations, and possibly Yarra Trams self-insure. Even so, in this case if the truck hit from behind, without prejudice or wishing to influence any further judgements, as a generalisation based on police advice in an incident I was once involved in the person in rear is almost always at fault unless the person in front cut in suddenly (not likely with a tram) or there was some other odd circumstance. Stopping suddenly is no excuse as you are meant by law to leave enough of a gap to stop - a professional observant truck driver would be aware their vehicle requires more stopping room than other vehicles and would drive accordingly I am sure. Whilst I sympathise with truck drivers who have car drivers suddenly pull in front and stop and expect a truck to do the same when it can't, in this case it is a large vehicle (ie, the tram) and it is possible the truck driver didn't allow for the ability of a tram to stop suddenly if it needed to. I guess the investigation and an insurance company assessor or YT legal advisor will find out...The Government would have some sort of insurance cover for the entire fleet, perhaps just Third Party Property for a 30 year old vehicle.
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Thanks hungho95 for uploading the photos, and X'trapolis-1M for reposting them.
This accident happened where the reserve track through Royal Park crosses Elliot Ave - e.g. the collision would have happened at roughly a 90 degree angle, not from the truck following from behind.
For the benefit of our interstate readers, this is the intersection - https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Ellio ... 1,,0,12.31
It would appear to this armchair expert that one of the parties has failed to observe the traffic signals (unlike the light rail reserve track, there are no boom gates at the road crossings in Royal Park).
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This accident happened where the reserve track through Royal Park crosses Elliot Ave - e.g. the collision would have happened at roughly a 90 degree angle, not from the truck following from behind.
For the benefit of our interstate readers, this is the intersection - https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Ellio ... 1,,0,12.31
It would appear to this armchair expert that one of the parties has failed to observe the traffic signals (unlike the light rail reserve track, there are no boom gates at the road crossings in Royal Park).
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Craig
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The State government is a self insurer. It does not have an insurance company. Numerous actuarial investigations over the years have provided "comfort" to the state government on this issue. The state's assets are in the billions. Any insurance premium would be in the hundreds of millions. So, schools, hospitals, roads, trains, trams, etc, are not insured. The only complication with this scenario arises when "the "owner' of the asset is possibly not the government. This happened when the rail stock was sold and re leased in the 1980s. The State government had to provide a "comfort" letter to the lessor that any damaged stock would be repaired at no cost to them. The same situation exists to some extent with PPPs. But in this case, we are talking about a 33 year old tram of no residual resale worth that is not covered by insurance.boronia wrote:The Government would have some sort of insuarnce cover for the entire fleet, perhaps just Third Party Property for a 30 year old vehicle.
Has it been determined who was at fault? There may be other factors at play here.
Two Z3s are currently being repaired. Yarra Trams will have to make an assessment of the damage to determine whether it is repaired (most likely) or replaced in the schedule by a Z1 tram. We are certainly not going to get a new E class out of it. By the looks of things, the truck seems an owner driver. Probably not much chance of money out of him or his insurance company, assuming he has one. Pity it wasn’t a Fox.
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205 Goes on the 57,55 And the 82
I can see it being replaced by a B2 on the 55 but they will have to fill the gap on the 57
I can see it being replaced by a B2 on the 55 but they will have to fill the gap on the 57
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Looking at VICSIG 205 has been in a few scrapes before this 9/8/2002 Rear bogie derail in the early evening while turning from Latrobe st into Swanston st and the 6/12/2005 it was struck by lightning while at Footscray terminus.And looking at Essendon depot on VICSIG there is still 37 Z3s minus 205 plus there is 33 B2s there be plenty of Z3s for the 55 route.
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Had the tramline crossed above Elliot Avenue rather than at grade, no collision would have occured. I think an overpass here would make a lot of sense given the terrain and the volume of traffic on Elliot Avenue.
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It's insane greenie territory. These are the same people that protested the loss of a small amount of parkland to build the new RCH.
Good luck with that...
Good luck with that...
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Trucks are known to hit the side of road over bridges, and often enough be too tall to fit under it.
So, bridges have their problems too.
So, bridges have their problems too.