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With Minns becoming Labor leader today, I noticed that 3 out of the last 5 Labor leaders had been the transport minister/shadow minister immediately before his or her appointment as Labor leader - namely Robertson, McKay, Minns. Coincidence?
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And the current premier was a transport minister too.
It doesn't hold in other states. Eg in Victoria no leader of either party has had transport for a very long time.
It doesn't hold in other states. Eg in Victoria no leader of either party has had transport for a very long time.
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Let's just hope Constance isn't the next one.
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Back in March 2020, Constance said he was gonna retire at the next election. So the likelihood of that is low.
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Yesmarcnut1996 wrote: ↑Coincidence?
Except that then in May 2020 he briefly flirted with the idea of entering federal politics.marcnut1996 wrote: ↑Back in March 2020, Constance said he was gonna retire at the next election. So the likelihood of that is low.
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What is the usual life span of a Constance promise?marcnut1996 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:00 pm Back in March 2020, Constance said he was gonna retire at the next election. So the likelihood of that is low.
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It shows how important getting things moving really is
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Given how badly Labor fails at transport its good that they let those people move on to failure at leadership. Long may the trend continue.
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Wasn’t the current federal labor leader the federal transport minister the last time labor was in power federally
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The curse strikes again. Minns is doomed! But that's OK, NSW Labor needs a caretaker until a good leader emerges from the ranks (and there are a couple there without naming names) and is able to lead the charge unstained by a history of election failures. Their biggest issue is not leadership but actually becoming a labour party again.Campbelltown busboy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:12 am Wasn’t the current federal labor leader the federal transport minister the last time labor was in power federally
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Unfortunately I don’t trust Labor to do anything in government for Transport without being a puppet of the RBTU. Probably everything Labor would do would need their approval.
We know their position on New Intercity Fleet trains are too much the same to be a coincidence except now they’re getting in the way of progress, then they wanted the North West Rail Link to just be built as part of the slow clunky double deck Sydney Trains network (ever wonder why?) while RBTU came out and badmouthed Metro warning its taking peoples jobs we don’t need the Metro, except Metro’s one of the best things to have ever come to Sydney in a long time, then there was the whole fear mongering about the ‘privatisation’ of bus services, again, Labor and RBTU’s positions and wording on it was again way too close to be a coincidence and all thats changed for the passenger was a logo on the bus they’ll probably never look at…
Can go on and on but that mob can stay in the wilderness for as long as they want
We know their position on New Intercity Fleet trains are too much the same to be a coincidence except now they’re getting in the way of progress, then they wanted the North West Rail Link to just be built as part of the slow clunky double deck Sydney Trains network (ever wonder why?) while RBTU came out and badmouthed Metro warning its taking peoples jobs we don’t need the Metro, except Metro’s one of the best things to have ever come to Sydney in a long time, then there was the whole fear mongering about the ‘privatisation’ of bus services, again, Labor and RBTU’s positions and wording on it was again way too close to be a coincidence and all thats changed for the passenger was a logo on the bus they’ll probably never look at…
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Some of you shouldn't be too quick to judge Minns yet until he's had a chance to demonstrate his leadership skills, otherwise you could end up with egg on your face. For Christ's sake he's been leader for a day. So far, he's saying all the right things to get the party back on track. All you're doing is demonstrating your crass political bias without offering an objective opinion and you're the poorer for it. Grow up!
Minns is a generational change for the Labor Party and a break from the past and thankfully Daley didn't get up, otherwise, they would most likely be headed for another election wipeout. What happened in the past is in the past. I'll be the first to criticise Minns if he falters.
Minns is a generational change for the Labor Party and a break from the past and thankfully Daley didn't get up, otherwise, they would most likely be headed for another election wipeout. What happened in the past is in the past. I'll be the first to criticise Minns if he falters.
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Monns has been in the job for 5 minutes and some already write him off, seemingly based on their preconceived political leanings. While they haven't become as bad as the last Labor government in its final years with Eddie Obeid etc, there is plenty of skullduggery that the current government has engaged in, that they have so far gotten away with. The lack of account that the government is held to is not good for democracy. For a decade, we have had an ineffective opposition, and a poor opposition results in a poor, complacent government.
Minns has at least recognised that just being the party of negativity isn't going to get them into government, and that they need to offer alternative policies to be electable.
Minns has at least recognised that just being the party of negativity isn't going to get them into government, and that they need to offer alternative policies to be electable.
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Recognising the problems is one thing; the ability to turn them around seems to be where past leaders have failed.
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True, but the first step to fixing a problem is recognising that it exists in the first place.
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What has Minns' record on transport (his old portfolio) been like?
Has he been entirely negative (like oppositions tend to be) or has he shown that he understands what good policy might look like? Even if it might be unpopular (eg road tolling and a Victorian-style EV tax)?
If he can't mature from being an anti road toll/anti Metro/anti light rail/anti bus reform populist and doesn't acknowledge the good (but sometimes clumsily executed) things that Berijiklian has done in transport then maybe he and his party deserve more years in opposition, despite the government's failings and the whiff of bad dealings about it?
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Certainly wasn't impressed with Minns behaviour as Transport Minister.
But he seems to be talking a different tune now, perhaps recognising he needs to present as an alternative.
But he seems to be talking a different tune now, perhaps recognising he needs to present as an alternative.
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He’s in a party that thought that changing regular suburban routes into high frequency metrobus routes and introducing free shuttle buses in a number of then labor held seats leading into 2011 seats witch labor was hoping to hold onto those seats so that they could win a fifth term in governmentPaxInfo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:20 am If he can't mature from being an anti road toll/anti Metro/anti light rail/anti bus reform populist and doesn't acknowledge the good (but sometimes clumsily executed) things that Berijiklian has done in transport then maybe he and his party deserve more years in opposition, despite the government's failings and the whiff of bad dealings about it?
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Minns wasn't in the previous government so you can't really associate him with them.
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Oops wrong person I was talking about Michael Daily who might have been deputy premier at one stagemarcnut1996 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:17 am Minns wasn't in the previous government so you can't really associate him with them.
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Or he may have been keeping his powder dry until he gained the leadership, letting Jodi take the fall. I seem to recall he had some good ideas in the lead-up to the last election.
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Daley was Minister for Roads in the previous government prior to the 2011 election. He was never deputy premier.Campbelltown busboy wrote:Oops wrong person I was talking about Michael Daily who might have been deputy premier at one stagemarcnut1996 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:17 am Minns wasn't in the previous government so you can't really associate him with them.
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To add on, Penny Sharpe and John Graham are the leader and deputy leader of the opposition in the Legislative Council. Sharpe was shadow minister for transport in the Robertson shadow cabinet, and Graham was shadow minister for roads in the McKay shadow cabinet.
This also means both recent shadow ministers for transport and roads are now in leadership positions in Labor and opposition.
This also means both recent shadow ministers for transport and roads are now in leadership positions in Labor and opposition.
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