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tonyp wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:37 pm This must be "the last mile" theory at work. Commuters would really appreciate taking longer changing modes than actually completing the journey.
You would have to wait for connections to change modes in Richmond on a Saturday as the waiting time between modes would be between 10 minutes to 2 hours 45 depending on train arrival time and local bus times
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:41 pmYou would have to wait for connections to change modes in Richmond on a Saturday as the waiting time between modes would be between 10 minutes to 2 hours 45 depending on train arrival time and local bus times
What we're discussing is during rail service disruptions how that they run a replacement bus service that drops people off at Clarendon to wait for a shuttle train (running every 30 minutes) for the last mile, rather than just continuing the bus service to Richmond and not bothering to run a shuttle train.

I'm sure that the few people who utilise the local bus services at Richmond would have to be annoyed that making them interchange at both Mulgrave and Clarendon would make the journey about 30 minutes longer than normal, guaranteeing that any connection would be missed, rather than just 5-10 minutes longer if they only had to catch one replacement bus from Mulgrave to Richmond, which wouldn't take much longer than the train does in that section.
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Transport NSW Info website.
Minor train timetable changes in February
Monday 15 February 2021.

On Sunday 28 February 2021, some minor timetable adjustments are being made to train services.

These adjustments are being introduced as part of a regular review of train services to help improve network resilience and reliability.

There will be some minor timing adjustments of up to two minutes to departure and arrival times to a small number of services on the T1 Western Line, T5 Cumberland Line, Blue Mountains Line and the Central Coast & Newcastle Line.

You can plan your new trip using the Trip Planner from 15 February to see if your travel is affected by the changes. You can also check transport apps, indicator screens on platforms or listen for announcements at stations.

Changes by line

T1 Western Line
Minor adjustments have been made to some weekday services.

The weekday 5.45am Blacktown to Richmond service arriving Richmond at 6.25am now departs Clarendon 6.18am (instead of 6.19am) and East Richmond at 6.21am (instead of 6.22am) and arrives at Richmond one minute earlier at 6.24am.
The weekday 6.15am Blacktown to Richmond service arriving Richmond at 6.55am now departs Clarendon one minute earlier at 6.48am (instead of 6.49am) and East Richmond one minute earlier at 6.51am (instead of 6.52am) and arrives at Richmond one minute earlier at 6.54pm.
The weekday 6.34pm Central to Richmond service arriving Richmond at 7.54pm (departing Chatswood at 6.07pm) departs Riverstone one minute earlier at 7.32pm (instead of 7.33pm) and departs East Richmond one minute earlier at 7.51pm (instead of 7.52pm).
All weekend T5 services to Richmond arrive at Richmond one minute later.


T5 Cumberland Line
Some weekday late night Leppington to Richmond services arrive at Richmond one minute later.
All weekend Leppington to Richmond services arrive/terminate at Richmond one minute later.


Blue Mountains Line
Minor timing change to one service.

The weekday 5.26pm Springwood to Central train arriving Central at 6.51pm will now depart the following stations one/two minutes earlier;

Departs Springwood at 5.24pm instead of 5.26pm
Departs Valley Heights at 5.28pm instead of 5.30pm
Departs Warrimoo at 5.33pm instead of 5.34pm
Departs Blaxland at 5.37pm instead of 5.38pm
Departs Glenbrook at 5.43pm instead of 5.44pm
There is no change to the time this service arrives at Central (6.51pm)


Central Coast and Newcastle Line
The weekday 6.02pm Wyong to Gosford service arriving Gosford at 6.24pm will now depart/arrive the following stations one minute later;

Departs Wyong at 6.03pm instead of 6.02pm
Departs Tuggerah at 6.06pm instead of 6.05pm
Departs Ourimbah at 6.12pm instead of 6.11pm
Departs Lisarow at 6.15pm instead of 6.14pm
Departs Niagara Park at 6.18pm instead of 6.17pm
Departs Narara at 6.20pm instead of 6.19pm
Arrives Gosford at 6.25pm instead of 6.24pm
The weekday 5.02pm Newcastle Interchange to Gosford service arrives Gosford two minutes later at 6.31pm (instead of 6.29pm)


https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/min ... y#homepage
There are also timetable changes for Region 6 bus timetables on Mon 01/03/2021 which does not appear to have anything to do with the changes to train timetables.
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tonyp wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:40 pm Clarendon Station is like 2 km from the outskirts of Richmond and 3.5 km from Richmond Station in the centre of town. It would take the bus about 5 minutes to go the rest of the distance.
Without knowing what happened on the day my only suggestion is, as it was an emergency call out they may have been short of buses so could turn them around quicker by using the shuttle train.
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There often is a plausible reason for these things, just that some on this board don't bother to consider this and just assume the worst.
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To incorporate the 2nd batch of B sets into the Timetable, a re-allocation of set-types will take place as from February 28.

As a result, from this date, C sets will not be required to operate in the Timetable.

Roster changes:-
11 x 8B set Rosters added to the current 22.
6 x 8C set Rosters deleted.
4 x 8K set Rosters deleted, reducing to a total of 13.
1 x 8M set Roster changed to a "Stand by" Roster.
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Linto63 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:48 pm There often is a plausible reason for these things, just that some on this board don't bother to consider this and just assume the worst.
Yes, definitely all the customer-focused people on this board need re-educating that the operator knows best.
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Scott4570 wrote: Roster changes:-
11 x 8B set Rosters added to the current 22.
6 x 8C set Rosters deleted.
4 x 8K set Rosters deleted, reducing to a total of 13.
Appears to confirm that the current batch of B sets being delivered are not Growth Trains as was stated when they were ordered, but like-for-like replacements. With a further 7 or so to be delivered (I think B34 is the most recent delivery), some inroads may be made into the K sets, with only 13 diagrams for 20 sets. Even now they are rare in the off-peak. Am I correct in thinking that all Oscars are now used for NSW TrainLink services in the peaks, although they still work some intra-Sydney positioning services?
tonyp wrote: Yes, definitely all the customer-focused people on this board need re-educating that the operator knows best.
The doomsayers who always assume the worst perhaps should take a minute to think that while it may appear to be customer unfriendly, that there may well be a plausible reason for an action being taken. But then a lot of it seems to be borne from long standing grudges, so perhaps not.
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What's going to happen to the Flemington maintenance centre when the introduction of the NIF fleet and the redeployment of the H sets to suburban service ends the service life of the K sets and V sets as both K and V fleets will be withdrawn in the next couple of years
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The NIFs will still need somewhere central near the city to park overnight and be serviced. Kangy Angy is only a maintenance facility, so trains should only visit there occasionally. So the Ds will displace Vs at FMC,

Likewise, the downgraded H sets will need facilities, so would presumably displace the K/Cs at FMC.
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The majority of the V sets stable overnight out of Sydney, it is between the peaks that they are in Sydney in greater numbers. Probably safe to assume that the stock off diagrams that end at Gosford or Wyong will stable at Kangy Angy. Will require a rethink of the current diagrams that see most services leave Central on the same line that they arrive on (i.e. an inbound Blue Mountains service, nearly always will form an outbound Blue Mountains service) if a huge amount of dead running is to be avoided.

The part of Eveleigh latterly used to maintain the Millenniums has been taken over by the NIF consortium, maybe this will continue to be their Sydney base after they enter service? While there will still be a need to have a facility in Sydney, for cleaning, decanting etc, only running repairs are likely to be performed away from Kangy Angy.
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Some weekday late night Leppington to Richmond services arrive at Richmond one minute later.
All weekend Leppington to Richmond services arrive/terminate at Richmond one minute later.
It appears that they have allowed an extra minute between East Richmond and Richmond on these services.

The last few services of the night to Richmond are scheduled to dwell for 2 minutes at both Riverstone and Clarendon, despite not crossing anything on the single line at either of those points, and are also scheduled to take 4 minutes from Clarendon to East Richmond (daytime services only get 3 minutes), so they also end up sitting at East Richmond to wait for the timetable as well.

I'm glad that they have worked out these services were too fast, and require extra time to be added to the schedule :twisted:
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BroadGauge wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:14 pm
I'm glad that they have worked out these services were too fast, and require extra time to be added to the schedule :twisted:
Stop being customer-focussed. There'll be a plausible reason there somewhere.
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Linto63 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:23 pm The part of Eveleigh latterly used to maintain the Millenniums has been taken over by the NIF consortium, maybe this will continue to be their Sydney base after they enter service? While there will still be a need to have a facility in Sydney, for cleaning, decanting etc, only running repairs are likely to be performed away from Kangy Angy.
Flemington would need a major technology upgrade if they move where the M sets and H set to Flemington for maintenance purposes . The question I asked in my perivous post was more about what's going to happen with Flemington when it comes to what trains get maintenance work done on them there after the V and K sets get withdrawn from service then train storage
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BroadGauge wrote: The last few services of the night to Richmond are scheduled to dwell for 2 minutes at both Riverstone and Clarendon, despite not crossing anything on the single line at either of those points.
Crossings with empty workings perhaps, or maybe to maintain a clock-face timetable?
tonyp wrote: There'll be a plausible reason there somewhere.
Could be.
Campbelltown busboy wrote: Flemington would need a major technology upgrade if they move where the M sets and H set to Flemington for maintenance purposes . The question I asked in my perivous post was more about what's going to happen with Flemington when it comes to what trains get maintenance work done on them there after the V and K sets get withdrawn from service then train storage
M sets are maintained at Auburn by Downer Rail under a contract that runs until 2027. Regardless of what comes to Flemington, it will need some work given that all the 1970/80s built stock it currently maintains will be gone.
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Looks like the North Coast line is going to be closed for a while:
NANA GLEN l Goods Train Derailment
Fire and Rescue NSW is on the scene of a goods train derailment near Morrows Road, Nana Glen on the state’s Mid North Coast.
Half of the 1500m long train left the tracks in the early hours of this morning. One of the locomotives is in a paddock and 16 carriages have jack-knifed, four of which are in floodwater.
The driver and co-driver of the train were safely removed and assessed by NSW Ambulance. For updates on train services in the North Coast region visit https://transportnsw.info
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Opal barriers and gates at Central are being smothered in these stickers. Also on top of the consoles on older machines. Are they appearing elsewhere?
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Saw one of the new intercity sets doing testing at Mt Colah this morningImage

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There was also a waratah testing on the intercity lines near central.
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RIP to the C sets.
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Scott4570 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:47 pm To incorporate the 2nd batch of B sets into the Timetable, a re-allocation of set-types will take place as from February 28.

As a result, from this date, C sets will not be required to operate in the Timetable.

Roster changes:-
11 x 8B set Rosters added to the current 22.
6 x 8C set Rosters deleted.
4 x 8K set Rosters deleted, reducing to a total of 13.
1 x 8M set Roster changed to a "Stand by" Roster.
Amending the above Posting (from February 17).

As from February 28, for the 8K sets and 8M sets:-
5 x 8K set Rosters have been deleted, reducing to a Total of 12.
There is no 8M "Stand by" Roster.
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A14 has lost all of its Yellow "Masks must be worn at all time stickers" is an announcement due from Gladrag?

A80 and another A have a couple of heavily painted carriages in their sets currently
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Stonesourscotty wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:52 pm A14 has lost all of its Yellow "Masks must be worn at all time stickers" [...]

A80 and another A have a couple of heavily painted [...]
Not noteworthy observations. That vandalism will be removed soon and the stickers are probably out due to tampering. Some can’t keep their hands to themselves.
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There is a news item on 131500 website about wide gates.
What's changing?

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