NSW Railway Observations 2021

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Good Variety on the T5 today there were Waratahs, A Tangara(Replacing M Set), K Set (Replacing M Set) and a Millennium
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Weird being on a 4T, although I did catch them for a while on the Carlingford Line a few years back.
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Plenty of T sets running around the City Circle today which is also a refreshing change from the usual Waratah. I actually still remember the days on T1 about 5 years ago or so when on weekends, T1 was well and truly 100% Waratah operation on weekends - sure don’t miss that. I do however note M sets don’t run on the City Circle lines normally on the weekends anymore which is a pity, as they now appear to be receiving an overhaul (new lighting and whatever else beneath the hood), may as well show them off more
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ATP installation on the M’s is scheduled to finish up this month according to the last Waterfall annual report from last year. Unclear how COVID may have affected this timeline:
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/tp/fi ... 202020.pdf
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T79 on the T5 on its own on a Sunday showing as a M set on tripview. It'll be arriving at Schofield's at 3:50
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Nowra Railway Station with Budd set, 1962.

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Note that Nowra Railway Station is the officially assigned name. Bomaderry Railway Station is only a variant but has of course fallen into popular use, even in timetables and other transport info. On formal maps etc it can still be seen as "Nowra Railway Station". The station sign in this photo covers all bets.

The two-storey shop on the right is still there as is the pub on the hill. The second shop from the right was burnt down and is now an unofficial park. Most of the other shops have been replaced by later buildings. I remember riding the Budd sets well and they gave an impression of great speed, though, like the U boats, that was probably down to the amount of noise. Nevertheless their journey time is still unbeaten and moreover you could get food and drinks on board rather than starving to death during the long hours.

And the seats were comfortable.
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tonyp wrote: ...you could get food and drinks on board rather than starving to death during the long hours.
Not sure if you have noticed, but there are these things at or near most major stations called shops, and they sell this product called food that can be carried on board and tends to solve the aforementioned starving problem.
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Well I am surprised to learn that consumption of food and drinks is allowed on commuter services other than where there is a buffet (Manly ferries and country trains). I remember seeing people being roused on by staff for eating on board. There must have been a policy change sometime.
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There’s a no food rule on trains, but there is on buses, although not always followed.

Been like this for ‘at the very least’ two decades.
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http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/ ... 4/s52.html

Is being hungry a "medical reason"?
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Well alcohol is a definite casualty of not having a buffet on board! And you can't even bring a closed bottle with you if you're visiting friends for dinner. You have to drink and drive :?

Medical reasons would include diabetics and those with similar conditions who might need a "top-up" of food before they reach their destination.
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Alcohol can be carried, just not consumed. Food and non-alcoholic drinks are permitted on ferries, trams and trains, just not on buses and regional coaches per TfNSW's travel courtesy and etiquette guide. If it was prohibited on trains, must have been a very long time ago.
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(3) Subclause (2) does not apply if the alcohol was supplied by, or with the permission of, the operator of the bus or ferry or the rail transport operator of the train concerned.


Are NSW TrainLink regional train services liquor licensed? e.g. the Melbourne-Sydney XPT buffet car store?
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tonyp wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 10:06 am Well alcohol is a definite casualty of not having a buffet on board! And you can't even bring a closed bottle with you if you're visiting friends for dinner. You have to drink and drive :?
You can carry alcohol as long as it is not open.
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boxythingy wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 2:35 pm (3) Subclause (2) does not apply if the alcohol was supplied by, or with the permission of, the operator of the bus or ferry or the rail transport operator of the train concerned.


Are NSW TrainLink regional train services liquor licensed? e.g. the Melbourne-Sydney XPT buffet car store?
From the buffet menu:
Item Price
Light beer $8.00
Mid strength beer $8.00
Cider $8.00
Red or white wine $8.0

From the bar items are only available to persons over 18. NSW TrainLink serves alcohol responsibly and asks customers to take beverages back to their seat to enjoy. Two drink maximum per customer each hour and no BYO alcohol to be consumed. Alcohol is served from midday until 11pm only.
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Movember liveried Pacific National Loco seen in Flemington just now how many of these carry this livery?
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https://www.9news.com.au/national/googl ... 27abc214e1

What a great initiative, give an exxie contract to Google to photograph a half-construction sites that Central and Bexley North Stations are.

I also thought it was the Government's wish for people to be out and about to go around and explore for themselves what stations actually look like in person, to stimulate the economy- oh wait don't risk getting fined over technicalities of what constitutes a paid area and what's not
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Where does it say that the government has given a contract to Google for this? I believe it was a Google initiative supported by Transport for NSW.
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boxythingy wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 1:41 pm https://www.9news.com.au/national/googl ... 27abc214e1

What a great initiative, give an exxie contract to Google to photograph a half-construction sites that Central and Bexley North Stations are.

I also thought it was the Government's wish for people to be out and about to go around and explore for themselves what stations actually look like in person, to stimulate the economy- oh wait don't risk getting fined over technicalities of what constitutes a paid area and what's not
Looks like a great accessibility feature to me. Occasional users and tourists who may be unfamiliar with large stations and interchanges would find visual guides like this very useful.

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More purposed signage would help even more, especially for interchanging passengers. There is minimal information within the paid areas, esp the northern concourse.
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Will Sydney ever get a consistent system of lettered/numbered/patterned/coloured/smelling exits?

Wish I could just tell someone meet at Exit 1 at Town Hall instead of "Toilet end then turn left".
Person A: Oh where's the toilet?
Person B: Oops I got confused which left and now that person can't tap back on because of peak hour ticket gate flow restrictions
Person C: I thought you meant the toilets in the food court near the escalator just before the food court
Person D: Which food court, the one downstairs or upstairs?! :roll: :shock:

Sydney Trains can then partner with Whatsapp or Facebook messenger to create a custom set of stickers for EXIT1, EXIT2 etc so one doesn't need to fumble on their smart device keyboards. Sound familiar? No more fumbling around with cash :roll:
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Hong Kong sets the standard for the identicication of station exits. Letters, not numbers, to avoid confusion with platform numbers.
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Doesn't matter how many signs they have, some people just have this compulsive urge to ask someone for the information, often multiple times.
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boronia wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 10:59 am Doesn't matter how many signs they have, some people just have this compulsive urge to ask someone for the information, often multiple times.
There was the reference to HK, but many other countries also have restricted entrances and exits so that one exit takes you to one place. The way that the Sydney CBD stations have evolved is that every exit from the train area can get you to most other exits and entrances.

If you take Wynyard for example even if you do exit from the east you can traverse to the west where it would be practically impossible in many other places around the world.
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lunchbox wrote:Hong Kong sets the standard for the identicication of station exits. Letters, not numbers, to avoid confusion with platform numbers.
Albeit in Sydney, that would be confused with Bus Stand letters
(Which is something HK doesn't have)
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