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Looks like there won't be a spearate notice regarding these changes. The @BusesInfo Twitter handle is simply reusing the 3/12/2020 one (unlike the Northern Beaches changes).

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swtt wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:51 pm Looks like there won't be a spearate notice regarding these changes. The @BusesInfo Twitter handle is simply reusing the 3/12/2020 one (unlike the Northern Beaches changes).

https://mobile.twitter.com/BusesInfo/st ... 5351760896
I think the Northern Beaches notice had some changes from the original notice (eg. actually mentioning rerouting Forest routes 281/282/283), although updating the date on the notice and putting the date of changes in the current notice would help (at the moment says "late January 2021" whereas PDF timetables now say "24th January 2021").
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The 507 changes are a very ambitious increase in frequency. For residents the choices are fantastic. I hope the patronage level matches.

Doubling of off peak and weekend frequency to half hourly (ironically as the 507 was when first introduced).

Earlier services and every 10 minutes in the am peak, at times in both directions.

Later evening (to 11:30pm) and every 10 minutes in the pm peak.

Later evening on weekends.
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Nat wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:20 am The 507 changes are a very ambitious increase in frequency. For residents the choices are fantastic. I hope the patronage level matches.

Doubling of off peak and weekend frequency to half hourly (ironically as the 507 was when first introduced).

Earlier services and every 10 minutes in the am peak, at times in both directions.

Later evening (to 11:30pm) and every 10 minutes in the pm peak.

Later evening on weekends.
As is the new 515 - though I'm surprised it didn't get turned into a loop service from Eastwood - Ryde - Eastwood as per the 100/120. Closer to either end, I think passengers will flock to it by travelling to interchange to the 500X closer to Ryde, and travelling to Eastwood Station for those closer to Eastwood.
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In Transit wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:23 pm I’m not really sure about your point regarding expresses that branch off the main route and then stop at all stops. How much journey time do you think the old X15 or X18 would have saved if it was limited stops once off Victoria Rd? And how would you continue serving those other branch stops (not served by the express) during the peak without costing more resources than necessary and/or reducing frequency to do so?
I note your comments. In the past, routes like the X00, X94, X73 could have avoided serving every stop after their first non-city stops and this was clearly sub-optimal, especially given that the 500+M52, L94 and 373 respectively were still operating through the peak. It seems that there will only be one route on the 515 corridor for example. This has some merit although I think a single seat express service in peak could have been preferable if loads were high enough.

I disagree though with the argument that after Covid more improvements are likely (not sure who said that). It is really only because of lower ridership during Covid that such improvements have been pushed forward with, at least it so seems on the surface. Many of these things are suggested in "Sydney's Bus Future" from about 5 years ago, then crickets.
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Route 343's new northern terminus in the City will be Circular Quay, utilising the termination space vacated by the M52, since the 500X will now begin/terminate at Hyde Park.
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simonl wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:22 pm It seems that there will only be one route on the 515 corridor for example. This has some merit although I think a single seat express service in peak could have been preferable if loads were high enough.
That's where these changes reflect your point - there isn't enough patronage off the main corridor to support a 515 and a 515X, with both on attractive headways - so you either have unattractive frequency (achieved with still the relatively high cost of two routes) or attractive frequency with significant service over-provision (even higher unnecessary cost). Another factor here is wanting to reduce bus congestion (and costs) on the main corridor by concentrating high capacity buses on it.

This isn't helped if you overlay a bunch of other routes (such as a 515X on top of the 500X) using rigids to form part of the main corridor's capacity (requiring more buses than if you'd otherwise just run the trunk 500X with artics only). If you use artics on these extra routes in order to achieve trunk corridor capacity using fewer buses, then typically you end up needing more artics to run the same level of service due to time lost meandering around the relatively low patronage sections of unique route - which given the finite number of artics available in Sydney (which is nowhere near enough) means you run out of artics and thus the number of buses required starts to increase, as do your costs.

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https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

What?!?! 333 getting additional stops, and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!? 333N being withdrawn and replaced with 333?
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The timetables for that do not appear to be available as yet. And they are not region 7 changes.
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Thanks for your analyses guys...
As the 500X will not serve minor stops, how will pax from those stops north-west of Drummoyne access Town Hall?
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swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

What?!?! 333 getting additional stops, and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!? 333N being withdrawn and replaced with 333?
It was already posted on wiki two days ago but without any reference which has now been added. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_bus_route_333
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Also routes 977 and 987 are wrong - they are not new services - the extra services started last Monday and have nothing to do with 24th January, This is confirmed by new new timetables on Transport Info as well as new timetables I have checked at route 977 stops last Sunday also dated 11th January.
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swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

...and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!?
This does not appear to be correct. The data in the trip planner shows trips from North Bondi and Bondi Beach through to Circular Quay and Martin Place in the peaks. Comparing with the current timetable, there seems to be some minor improvements to frequencies at different times of the day and on different days of the week, particularly west of BJI, presumably to compensate for the loss of the 340.
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swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

What?!?! 333 getting additional stops, and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!? 333N being withdrawn and replaced with 333?
By the look of the map, it's only one extra stop (Oxford St @ Queen St Inbound and Oxford St @ Brisbane St Outbound).
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Cazza wrote:
swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

What?!?! 333 getting additional stops, and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!? 333N being withdrawn and replaced with 333?
By the look of the map, it's only one extra stop (Oxford St @ Queen St Inbound and Oxford St @ Brisbane St Outbound).
What will replace Bondi Jn to North Bondi leg during the peaks?

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Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, but as these changes kick in with Route 458 transferred into Region 6, the STA will no longer operate any services into Burwood.



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swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:29 pm What will replace Bondi Jn to North Bondi leg during the peaks?

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More 380/381?

Is this an attempt to release some artics for elsewhere, or just have artics on this leg and rigids on the 333.
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Have a look at what Mr OC Benz wrote above. The trip planner shows the 333’s route structure remains as it is - it’s just misleading wording on Transport’s info page, relating to some frequency improvements on the section of route between Bondi Junction and the City.
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N80 and N81 going to STA on 24 January - new timetables from that date but the timetables up to that date no longer show.

We will have to wait and see what the new 333 timetable will show as it is not available yet.
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In Transit wrote:Have a look at what Mr OC Benz wrote above. The trip planner shows the 333’s route structure remains as it is - it’s just misleading wording on Transport’s info page, relating to some frequency improvements on the section of route between Bondi Junction and the City.
The front page blurb was also copied and pasted from the 2020 notice - poor form in my opinion as it says the services commence "next year" Image

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kypros1992 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:56 pm Missed opportunity to merge 515 and 521 to bring back some N&W similar routes :lol:
It would be great if 515 could extend from Eastwood to Carlingford court via Mobbs Lane and Marsden Rd.

It would provide a direct service for passengers travelling between Carlingford, Eastwood and Top Ryde. Also, there is no bus service between Marsden Road after Mobbs Lane and Carlingford at the moment. The potential extension to Carlingford could also replace all short workings 521s from Eastwood to Terry Road after 6:05pm.
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Mr OC Benz wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm
swtt wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am https://transportnsw.info/news/2021/add ... s#homepage

...and Bondi Junction to City only during the peaks?!?
This does not appear to be correct. The data in the trip planner shows trips from North Bondi and Bondi Beach through to Circular Quay and Martin Place in the peaks. Comparing with the current timetable, there seems to be some minor improvements to frequencies at different times of the day and on different days of the week, particularly west of BJI, presumably to compensate for the loss of the 340.
The wording has now been modified:
Minor timetable changes to meet demand and improve reliability, maintaining the current frequencies of every 6 minutes or better during the day, and every 10 minutes or better during the early morning and evening, 7 days a week. Route 333 will now operate 24 hours, replacing overnight 333N services. Additional stops will be introduced along Oxford St to support improved customer access.
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donotsmoke wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:37 pm
kypros1992 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:56 pm Missed opportunity to merge 515 and 521 to bring back some N&W similar routes :lol:
It would be great if 515 could extend from Eastwood to Carlingford court via Mobbs Lane and Marsden Rd.

It would provide a direct service for passengers travelling between Carlingford, Eastwood and Top Ryde. Also, there is no bus service between Marsden Road after Mobbs Lane and Carlingford at the moment. The potential extension to Carlingford could also replace all short workings 521s from Eastwood to Terry Road after 6:05pm.
Good point, particularly now that 515 will be truncated at Ryde. I can remember the days when there was a direct bus service from Glenorie to Eastwood via Pennant Hills Rd. Eastwood is now completely cut off from the North West by bus.

I would imagine that those passengers who board 515 closer to Ryde, including those students at TAFE on Blaxland Rd, would be miffed that they will now have to change to continue their journey along Victoria Rd towards the city and vice versa.

I have never understood why 286/297 never continued to Eastwood Station along Lovell Rd, instead of terminating at Denistone East.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21 pm N80 and N81 going to STA on 24 January - new timetables from that date but the timetables up to that date no longer show.

We will have to wait and see what the new 333 timetable will show as it is not available yet.
The new N80 and N81 timetables now show Hillsbus instead of STA and timetables up to 24/1 are back. Still no new 333 timetable.
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Transtopic wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:55 pm I can remember the days when there was a direct bus service from Glenorie to Eastwood via Pennant Hills Rd.
So can I, but it only ran twice a day IIRC.
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