New Sydney and Outer Metro bus contracts (as from 2020)

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Nothing at this point in time. It is one of the regions which is still to be done but nothing has been announced as yet. Busways may or may not keep it.
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The grouping and rough timeline of the next rounds of tenders were released late last week;

https://www.tenders.nsw.gov.au/?event=p ... E9A07D3287
This pre-recorded industry briefing provides details of the planned Transport for NSW procurement process for 10 Greater Sydney and 2 Regional and Outer Metropolitan Bus Contracts.
The below details has been published, but does not include the details on the two Outer Metro contracts.
https://infrastructurepipeline.org/proj ... -contracts
Between December 2021 and August 2022, the NSW Government will run procurement processes for 10 regions as current contracts expire. The 10 contracts will be procured in three tranches:

Tranche One – Greater Sydney Bus Contracts Four, 12 and 14 which covers the Hills District and the Upper North Shore. Contracts 12 and 14 can be consolidated in a single bid. RFTs for this tranche will run between December and February, contracts are expected to be awarded in June 2022.

Tranche Two - Greater Sydney Bus Contracts Three, Five, 10 and 13 which covers Southern and South-Western Sydney between the Sutherland Shire and Fairfield Local Government Area. All contracts can be bid on using any combination of contract consolidation. RFTs for this tranche will run between March and May 2022, contracts are expected to be awarded in December 2022.

Tranche Three - Greater Sydney Bus Contracts One, Two and 15 which covers the Western edge of the Sydney basin between the Campbelltown and Camden Local Government areas and the Hawkesbury Local Government Areas. RFTs for this tranche will run between June and August 2022, contracts are expected to be awarded in February 2023.
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It is interesting that contracts regions 12 and 14 may be consolidated - something which has been discussed here on a number of occasions.

It would be interesting to see what consolidations if any come out of Tranche 2.

I am surprised that regions 2 and 15 are not mentioned as possible consolidations in Tranche 3.
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Regions 2 and 15 would be a good consideration for contract amalgamation as some routes from one region follow the corridor of routes from the other like the 880 (region 15) shares Raby road with the 874 and 875 (region 2) then there is Hurley street/Kellicar road Campbelltown witch region 15 shares with the Campbelltown-Liverpool routes from region 2 between Railway street Campbelltown and Therry road Ambervale at the entry of Campbelltown hospital
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iamthouth wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:30 am
The below details has been published, but does not include the details on the two Outer Metro contracts.
There are 12 Outer Metro contracts and I dont think it was ever intended that these would be included in this plan.
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The Busways website now includes the announcement.
https://www.busways.com.au/news-items/b ... -contracts
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Good timing with Busways new logo. I hope they choose the Element from Customs as their electric buses. Not bad looking for a contemporary bus, and going by the Gemilangs, better sounding than today's diesels.
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The BYDs don't sound better than a diesel inside! Most other electrics do though.

I'd say it's highly likely Busways will stick with the Element. It would be nice to be living in Hunters Hill again to get the benefit of this, but I couldn't afford anything more than a letterbox there nowadays! No battlers or shipyard workers there now.

Also not many people likely to be the type to catch a bus nowadays!
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tonyp wrote: I'd say it's highly likely Busways will stick with the Element.
Placing an order for 6 Elements for region 1 doesn't necessarily mean Busways are locked in. While Busways have purchased many Custom bodied buses over the years, plenty of Bustechs and Volgrens as well. And with a commitment to only but 35 electrics over 8 years, averages out at only 5 a year.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:15 am It is interesting that contracts regions 12 and 14 may be consolidated - something which has been discussed here on a number of occasions.

It would be interesting to see what consolidations if any come out of Tranche 2.

I am surprised that regions 2 and 15 are not mentioned as possible consolidations in Tranche 3.
It seems the scale of consolidation is much smaller than this old proposal (page 29 map 2).
https://web.archive.org/web/20060822031 ... t_full.pdf
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Interesting to see Balmain and Rozelle included in Region 7 under this plan. We may still see this happen once the Metro West opens and Region 6 ends up losing its core routes. May as well break it up and redistribute the territory.

The other area to watch is Region 8 once the new Northern Beaches tunnel opens. With most services using the tunnel, the Mosman area could be reintegrated into Region 7. The final piece would be to merge Regions 8 and 14 - but it appears they do not want to go down this path.

All of this is hypothetical and ten years down the track, when the next round of tenders is due.
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Ray wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:03 pm Interesting to see Balmain and Rozelle included in Region 7 under this plan. We may still see this happen once the Metro West opens and Region 6 ends up losing its core routes. May as well break it up and redistribute the territory.
Is this how region 7 still stands at present?

http://static.moovitapp.com/v4/maps/Aus ... p_west.pdf

Some of Balmain and Rozelle already seem to be in it.
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https://transportnsw.info/document/5211 ... 021-v2.pdf shows the official region 7 map and shows a somewhat different picture
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Here are 4 contracts that can be amalgamated into 2 big regions

Region 4 amalgamated with region 1

Region 2 amalgamated with region 15
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Cuz Sydney's huge cuz! There are multiple companies and no single company can run the lot, and there has to be a way to demarcate companies from each other brother!
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2MSJ wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:41 am
Campbelltown busboy wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:58 pm Here are 4 contracts that can be amalgamated into 2 big regions

Region 4 amalgamated with region 1

Region 2 amalgamated with region 15
Why don't we just run all bus services as one big contract covering all of Sydney
The government still wants a level of competition by having multiple operators across the city.
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Cuttting the number of contracts from 14 to 10 is better then a situation where they are shuffling routes around between contracts witch makes some new regions ie region 1 become 3 small regions the area of region 4 between Parramatta and Blacktown becomes it's own region and things like that
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:58 pm Here are 4 contracts that can be amalgamated into 2 big regions

Region 4 amalgamated with region 1

Region 2 amalgamated with region 15
Regions 1 and 4 are in different tranches so unlikely to be amalgamated.
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A lot of dreamers here.
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The inclusion of the Balmain and Drummoyne Peninsulas in Region 7 clearly predate the 2010 expansion of Leichhardt depot. Back then most of the routes across the Anzac Bridge to Balmain, Birchgrove, Chiswick and Drummoyne would have seen trips operated by Y
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^ This was the previous contract set up from when STA was established (ex UTA). The South West Division comprised of three main depots and three satellite depots.

Ryde Depot with Leichhardt Depot as a satellite.
Burwood Depot with Enfield Depot as a satellite.
Kingsgrove Depot with Tempe Depot as a satellite.

Willoughby Depot was a part of the Northern Division with North Sydney Depot as its satellite. Even after the redistribution of depots and rewriting of regions, for many years the head training officer at Willoughby Depot continued to maintain responsibility for North Sydney Depot, this structure has now ceased since the multiple mini restructures at STA since the large scale restructure from 2017-2018.

When Tempe Depot (version 2 from 2009) returned to operating as a standard depot from being a metrobus only depot in 2013, the head training officer at Kingsgrove Depot maintained responsibility for Tempe Depot, this structure ceaed not long after Transit Systems took control of Region 6 - now only one head trainer for the entire region.
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Y depot was pretty much limited to peak hour trips in Balmain etc after 2000. Maybe the odd daytime 431 etc but definitely no reason to put those suburbs in region 7 - they were clearly L territory by then.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:47 pm https://transportnsw.info/document/5211 ... 021-v2.pdf shows the official region 7 map and shows a somewhat different picture
This map showing the North & Western network in its final form in 1999 makes an interesting comparison. I hope it's OK with the authors to reproduce it here.

N&W1999.jpg
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Happy to see the N&W map get extra airplay. Those 22 years have passed quickly!
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