Sydney Metro - Tallawong to Bankstown

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The metro trains have this sort of set up for the train numbers 1NN-NN, where "N" is a number, eg: 106-23

Would I be correct in that the metro numbers are similar to NSW suburban numbers where one set is assigned number 1nn for the day, but instead of letters for the next run, it's just a higher number, with odd numbers away from, and even numbers to Chatswood?
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Newcastle Flyer wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:46 pm The metro trains have this sort of set up for the train numbers 1NN-NN, where "N" is a number, eg: 106-23

Would I be correct in that the metro numbers are similar to NSW suburban numbers where one set is assigned number 1nn for the day, but instead of letters for the next run, it's just a higher number, with odd numbers away from, and even numbers to Chatswood?
Looking at Anytrip, you are correct. You can click on a metro service and see that its previous run number is always one lower than the current run number.
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https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/currentproposals
The GNB is accepting feedback for the proposed station names of Crows Nest, Victoria Cross, Barangaroo and Waterloo. Submission closes on 2 November.
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Will North Sydney station be linked by underground walkway to the metro? Why not just call it North Sydney?
The proposed Barangeroo should be called Wynyard West or Hungry Mile station. It's like the heavily left leaning elitist PC class want to gloss over our modern history.
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Quite possibly it's called Barangaroo because it's in the recently-named suburb of Barangaroo. Historically it should be called Millers Point, but the GNB has been busy excising bits off Millers Point over the years. There'll be no subway at North Sydney but there's a pretty traffic-free walk between the two stations iirc.
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It appears to be nothing more than adding "Railway Station" to the place name. I'd find it odd if it was proposed to change the name from the suburb it's located in. In the case of Victoria Cross, as there's already a "North Sydney Railway Station" in existence, it would be appropriate to name it after the nearby major intersection to differentiate it from the latter.
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Newcastle Interchange and Shellharbour Junction are recent exceptions that come to mind.
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I'm surprised Pitt Street is not included as it's the one station name that I would have thought needs a review. Perhaps this means they are planning something else for it though?

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From my interpretation, the "Crows Nest Railway Station" etc, is the proposed name and they are inviting submissions to agree with the proposal or suggest alternatives. It escapes me why they even need to go through this process. If they are proposing to give the new stations some nondescript name, which bears no relationship to their location, then why don't they do the same with all of the other metro stations?
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Swift wrote:Will North Sydney station be linked by underground walkway to the metro? Why not just call it North Sydney?
The proposed Barangeroo should be called Wynyard West or Hungry Mile station. It's like the heavily left leaning elitist PC class want to gloss over our modern history.
Victoria Cross station will not be linked to North Sydney station. Barangaroo is an official suburb and is the common name of the precinct anyway.
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All stations should be named with a weighting toward those who have most to lose if the station name is misleading - the train passengers. I vote for "Wynyard West" at Barangaroo.

And the station with the current name of "Pitt Street" should be called "Park Street" - much more focussed.
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But the "Pitt St" station will also have an entrance in Bathurst St.To pander to the "save the T3 line" ignorants who claim people will need to change at Sydenham or Central to get to Town Hall, why not call it "Town Hall Metro"?

"Central Station" bus stops are spread from Railway Square around to Foveaux St and passengers seem to be able to cope with this (with good guidance); two "Town Hall" stations (which could feasibly be directly connected) should be no more problem than THREE Central rail stations.
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Sydney Metro is requesting public comment on its "Draft Pitt Street Station Design and Precinct Plan" - the SDPP.

www.sydneymetro.info/station/pitt-street-station

I think the draft is pathetic. It focusses on the visual impacts of the building facades, almost ignoring the prime function of the station entrances - the efficient movement of train pasengers between Metro trains, the two existing, adjacent stations, and the nearby streets.
Closing date for comment is 3 November 2020.
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lunchbox wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:57 pm Sydney Metro is requesting public comment on its "Draft Pitt Street Station Design and Precinct Plan" - the SDPP.

www.sydneymetro.info/station/pitt-street-station

I think the draft is pathetic. It focusses on the visual impacts of the building facades, almost ignoring the prime function of the station entrances - the efficient movement of train pasengers between Metro trains, the two existing, adjacent stations, and the nearby streets.
Closing date for comment is 3 November 2020.
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They have deliberately avoided underground pedestrian links between the Pitt St metro station and the existing Town Hall and Museum Stations. In earlier planning, it was always proposed to have an underground pedestrian link via the future Town Hall Square between Pitt St and the existing station.
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I don't see the need for an underground link between station. Why would anybody want to interchange between the two lines at Town Hall anyway? All stations serve different local parts of the city.

I note the journey time between North Sydney/Victoria Cross and Pitt St/Town Hall will be three minutes faster on the metro with the same number of stops.
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^^^^^^^^good point tonyp - back to "square one".
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It would be convenient for NW Metro passengers to transfer to CQ or T4 trains without going all the way to Central?
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boronia wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:02 am It would be convenient for NW Metro passengers to transfer to CQ or T4 trains without going all the way to Central?
Why not change to T4 at Martin Place?
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It's not just a matter of interchanging between stations, but providing a network of user friendly underground pedestrian links between the eastern and western fringes of the CBD and connection to the future Town Hall Square, protected from inclement weather and surface traffic.
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Exactly this. It’s hard not to conclude there is a mentality at Sydney Metro that doesn’t prioritise links between the metro and other public transport services - there seems a generally poor attitude to providing quality amenity for transferring between bus and train across Metro stations too.

It’s a fairly typical outcome with TfNSW - not the end of the world, but missed opportunities and a lack of appreciation of what good looks like.
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After having seen and experienced Perth in detail, known for its excellent interchanges, I fail to see by comparison where the shortfalls are on Sydney metro. Perth might have a slight edge in the extent of undercover bus transfers right at the station door but in Sydney the buses are all adjacent to the station with very little open space to cross. This can always be addressed later with a canopy program.

As for interchanges with the suburban network, they're pretty in-your-face too. However, I don't think it's reasonable to expect stations in major CBDs (like Sydney, North Sydney, Parramatta) to have underground links between them. The trend in such centres is towards general pedestrianisation and the old issue of battling across streets full of swarms of cars is diminishing and will progressively ultimately disappear, making any tunnels constructed redundant. The world is full enough of old, graffiti-filled underused or abandoned pedestrian tunnels from the days when it was considered that cars should rule the surface and everything else should be pushed underground (trams suffered from this too). We don't need to add to the stock of those anachronisms.
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marcnut1996 wrote: Victoria Cross station will not be linked to North Sydney station.
The two North Sydney stations are several hundred metres apart, so an underground link is not really needed, although during daylight hours they will largely be connected via the underground Greenwood Plaza.
tonyp wrote: However, I don't think it's reasonable to expect stations in major CBDs (like Sydney, North Sydney, Parramatta) to have underground links between them.
Town Hall station is already connected to Pitt Street via the Galleries Shopping Centre, so a tunnel would only need to be built beneath Pitt Street to connect it to the metro station.
tonyp wrote: The trend in such centres is towards general pedestrianisation and the old issue of battling across streets full of swarms of cars is diminishing and will progressively ultimately disappear, making any tunnels constructed redundant.
Bit optimistic to ever think that cars are going to ultimately disappear.
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tonyp wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:41 amThe trend in such centres is towards general pedestrianisation and the old issue of battling across streets full of swarms of cars is diminishing and will progressively ultimately disappear, making any tunnels constructed redundant. The world is full enough of old, graffiti-filled underused or abandoned pedestrian tunnels from the days when it was considered that cars should rule the surface and everything else should be pushed underground (trams suffered from this too). We don't need to add to the stock of those anachronisms.
That's why Sydney and Australian PT will always fail. Thinking that what they do works when it clearly doesn't. The connection between buildings and where people actually want to go and the ability to transfer are the hallmarks of efficient PT services globally.
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Nugget wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:42 am
That's why Sydney and Australian PT will always fail. Thinking that what they do works when it clearly doesn't. The connection between buildings and where people actually want to go and the ability to transfer are the hallmarks of efficient PT services globally.
How does PT within the Sydney centre fail? It's just got even better with the reinstatement of a tram circulator. There's also often no need to transfer once you reach any point in the CBD, people just walk. The improvement of the surface pedestrian environment will make that an even better experience.
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