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At least they're vinyl seats. You don't want to know what's in fabric-covered seats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jjfSuzFF4
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Even this crisis won't make them get their act together. What hope have we got to lift standards?
Does this suggest there is not enough extra cleaning programmes or the cleaners are shirking their duties??
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Meanwhile in the country that our bus industry genes come from:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-PPE.html
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Hmm...The Daily Wail, nuff said.
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Much like all trashy or tabloid publications, you should take it with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean that the linked Daily Mail story is false or misleading. You definitely haven't addressed any of the article's points on COVID-19 and bus drivers before dismissing the article simply because it's the "Daily Wail". So thank you for your pointless input.
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The Daily Mail is well known for exaggerating and sensationalising, it's up there with the trashy glossies with their made up headlines. Even Wikipedia with its low bar, considers it generally unrelaible. Moral of the story, if adding an article link, better to go mainstream.
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rogf24 wrote:Much like all trashy or tabloid publications, you should take it with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean that the linked Daily Mail story is false or misleading. You definitely haven't addressed any of the article's points on COVID-19 and bus drivers before dismissing the article simply because it's the "Daily Wail". So thank you for your pointless input.
The media right across the board are a bit of a crock and, I suspect like a lot of people nowadays, I get around this by viewing a range of news from different sources courtesy of the internet. If several of them with widely differing political stances come up with broadly the same basic information, it's probably reliable. In this case, this Daily Mail London story appears much the same in other outlets, e.g. the Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... hreatened/

The interesting bit of information in that one is that drivers are talking unilateral action to protect themselves and are being opposed by their employer. I know I'm a bit hard on the unions sometimes but in this case I hope they are coming down on this like a ton of bricks, not like the NSW RTBU which is just standing around with its mouth open doing nothing. TWU has been a bit more affirmative, but not enough. Full credit then to the agencies in ACT and Queensland who have been more proactive protecting their employees and the public than the unions have - and all the more damning for the agencies in other states and territories who should know better by now.
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This ABC Article discusses how the virus might change our commuting habits and living circumstances.

Extra points if you can guess what spurred me to link it here on the forums ;)
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tonyp wrote:
rogf24 wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... hreatened/

The interesting bit of information in that one is that drivers are talking unilateral action to protect themselves and are being opposed by their employer. I know I'm a bit hard on the unions sometimes but in this case I hope they are coming down on this like a ton of bricks, not like the NSW RTBU which is just standing around with its mouth open doing nothing.
I knew bus depot managers can be little Hitlers but in this climate what world are they living on after there have been deaths recorded in that line of work?
I hope they get their butt handed to them in court.
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Merc1107 wrote:This ABC Article discusses how the virus might change our commuting habits and living circumstances.

Extra points if you can guess what spurred me to link it here on the forums ;)
Photos of Perth?

That freeway photo is like one of those examples demonstrating that the train in the photo has a higher carrying capacity than all the cars in the photo.
Swift wrote: I knew bus depot managers can be little Hitlers but in this climate what world are they living on after there have been deaths recorded in that line of work?
I hope they get their butt handed to them in court.
I think this sort of response would come from higher up than depot managers.

By contrast, the polar opposite management (and union in the case of Australia) attitude in USA:

http://www.twulocal100.org/story/corona ... ing-monday
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A I've stated, the U.S. bus industry demonstrate they are far ahead of the game compared to this pathetic joint somewhere in the south Pacific.

We're in LA LA land.
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: and I do still see young couples sharing a seat
If you share a house or a bed, I suspect there isn't any additional risk from sharing a bus seat.
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I have to say the new videos on social media emphasising the importance of all transport including public transport in NSW, and TfNSW boasting their credentials about safety record are impressive and deserve attention.

Hopefully the higher ups will see this and make sure some of the best practices implemented during these difficult times will be retained in a post COVID-19 world.

The increased cleaning of train carriages is certainly welcomed and whilst they wouldn't need to be kept ultra clean once the virus is gone, money available for essential employees to ensure seats and floors get a regular and periodic wipedown throughout the day would be better than waiting for interiors to resemble a nuclear waste site before a single clean up that might not even do justice
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It looks like TfL have finally buckled, closing the front door after the horse has bolted, so to speak:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-52321557

It only took 26 dead bus workers to convince them.

TfNSW in cohorts with RTBU and TWU in NSW are still holding out, re-enacting Custers last stand. Nicely socially-distanced in their offices no doubt, unlike their drivers.
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Noticed transport officers out and about in Sydney today. Evidently TfNSW consider this to be 'essential travel'. Seems to fly in the face of the government's own advice. I presume they are somehow practicing social distancing, but given the number of people they inevitably will come in contact with, seems pretty stupid.
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Now that London have set a precedent, Sydney will have less excuse to carry on as usual. We usually emulate them don't we?
Drivers in London have the privilege of a screen and still some casualties.
I'm genuinely shocked at the stubborn adherence to standard operating policies before this outbreak. The government should be intervening to make them adopt temporary measures. How do they get away with it?
Drivers should form a rebel breakaway united front and refuse to use the front door. Are they going to sack them all? Scott Morrison wouldn't be pleased.
Drivers should at the very least refuse to let passengers out the front door and point blank refuse to drive a single door bus. I don't know how the rest of the UK and country bus drivers here will cope.
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Linto63 wrote:Noticed transport officers out and about in Sydney today. Evidently TfNSW consider this to be 'essential travel'. Seems to fly in the face of the government's own advice. I presume they are somehow practicing social distancing, but given the number of people they inevitably will come in contact with, seems pretty stupid.
What role do they have? Fine 5 out 10 vs 50 out of 200 people who are on a train and measure if people are sitting 1.5m apart? :roll: They should be temporarily redeployed to do jobs that can be done virtually to better support the weak economy
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Swift wrote:Drivers should form a rebel breakaway united front and refuse to use the front door. Are they going to sack them all? Scott Morrison wouldn't be pleased.
Drivers should at the very least refuse to let passengers out the front door and point blank refuse to drive a single door bus. I don't know how the rest of the UK and country bus drivers here will cope.
If Transport For NSW showed more initiative on rear door loading on buses and other technical advances when it comes to all modes of public transport instead of worrying about what the RTBU would say then public transport in Sydney would look a lot different
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Linto63 wrote:Noticed transport officers out and about in Sydney today. Evidently TfNSW consider this to be 'essential travel'. Seems to fly in the face of the government's own advice. I presume they are somehow practicing social distancing, but given the number of people they inevitably will come in contact with, seems pretty stupid.
Of course it would be essential travel. They are working; no different to the drivers.

Was chatting with a couple of them the other day. I jokingly asked if they got a bonus for finding passengers on a bus.
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In all the concern over the demise of Virgin, there is concern that there will be a big spike in air fares, which might make HSR more attractive.

Got me wondering if it might see a resurgence of interstate bus travel? Deluxe/VIP/Sunliner Mk 2?
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boronia wrote:In all the concern over the demise of Virgin, there is concern that there will be a big spike in air fares, which might make HSR more attractive.
I didn't realise Sydney-Melbourne was actually one of the busiest routes of travel on the planet (whether that claim is accurate, I don't know).

In light of that, it surprises me that a decent high-speed rail option isn't viable. The flights themselves are scheduled at about 1.5hrs, and assuming one could go full pelt in a bullet train on a direct route, that would be 2.5hrs... Surely if you add travel time to and from airports, additional time you give yourself for check-in, security etc it would actually work out about the same?
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Domestic arrival takes around 30 mins-1 hr from disembarking the plane to exiting the airport, so Southern Cross Station to Central Station via air would be something like this:

Depart Southern Cross: +25 mins to Tullamarine (travel time = 25 mins)
Check-in + customs + waiting time = minimum 30 mins (travel time = 55-80 mins)
Take-off MEL to land at SYD = 1.5 hrs (travel time = ~2 hrs 40 mins)
Arrival + luggage collection = minimum 30 mins (travel time = ~3 hrs 15 mins)
SYD to Central: +20 mins (travel time = 3 hrs 35 mins)

Meanwhile, HSR from Southern Cross to Central would be 2.5 hrs travel time and maybe 30 mins either end for luggage etc. meaning that getting from CBD to CBD, HSR and air travel would actually be fairly competitive with travel times.
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boronia wrote:Of course it would be essential travel. They are working; no different to the drivers.
Point is do they need to be out and about at all, trains need drivers, they don't need ticket inspectors.
boronia wrote:In all the concern over the demise of Virgin, there is concern that there will be a big spike in air fares, which might make HSR more attractive.
If we ever get High Speed Rail it will be for commuting to the capitals, to build between the capitals would be ferociously expensive. If Qantas gains a monopoly, prices will inevitably rise, but not back to the levels they were in the 1990s.
boronia wrote:Got me wondering if it might see a resurgence of interstate bus travel? Deluxe/VIP/Sunliner Mk 2?
Probably not, with the Hume Highway now dual carriageway throughout and Sydney to Melbourne doable in a day, people would more likely drive if airfares skyrocketed.
Merc1107 wrote:I didn't realise Sydney-Melbourne was actually one of the busiest routes of travel on the planet (whether that claim is accurate, I don't know).
Second busiest route by flight numbers, after one in South Korea.
Merc1107 wrote:In light of that, it surprises me that a decent high-speed rail option isn't viable?
Simple reason; capital cost. High Speed 2 in England is expected to cost £307 million per mile to build. Using that as a benchmark, a Sydney to Melbourne high speed line would cost $300 billion.
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The trams have a fully sealed compartment for the driver, but this seems to be deemed insufficient enough to warrant the front doors not being opened.
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Bus Suggestions wrote:Domestic arrival takes around 30 mins-1 hr from disembarking the plane to exiting the airport,
Depending on the airport layout, without checked baggage, domestic exit should take around 5-10 mins maximum; 5-10 minutes more if you have to collect bags. Slowest part can be getting from your seat to the plane door.

Sydney International can usually be less than an hour, with baggage.

Not everybody needs to go the CBDs to get to the airport. Many passengers will go there direct. Such people may have longer journeys to get to SX for a train, and there mightn't be parking
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