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With the next round of timetable changes due on Sunday 23rd July, the only 2 major service changes hinted at so far are the 230/232 route changes and a new Lightsview Go Zone via the O-Bahn. Any others people know of?
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Some dedicated school services are being modified. I know of one particular route which will be servicing an entirely different area and set of schools. It’s interesting to see re-use of a current route number.
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BusFan23 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:41 pm Some dedicated school services are being modified. I know of one particular route which will be servicing an entirely different area and set of schools. It’s interesting to see re-use of a current route number.
Interesting to see that occur!

Presume new timetables will be out sometime this week?
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hillsbus wrote:
BusFan23 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:41 pm Some dedicated school services are being modified. I know of one particular route which will be servicing an entirely different area and set of schools. It’s interesting to see re-use of a current route number.
Interesting to see that occur!

Presume new timetables will be out sometime this week?
Sunday the 18th of July from what I’ve heard.
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Would be good to see what span of hours and frequency for the Riverlea services and what other changes at Northgate to compensate for the Go zone or whether the go zone will be feeder in off peak and peak direct to city.
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Admet75 wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm Would be good to see what span of hours and frequency for the Riverlea services and what other changes at Northgate to compensate for the Go zone or whether the go zone will be feeder in off peak and peak direct to city.
The details are all at the above AdMet website link. 3 x AM peak hour services from Riverlea to Salisbury and 3 x PM peak return. And hourly Elizabeth to Riverlea services most of the day. Weekdays only it seems.

The new 206 Go Zone was additional funding so all new services that aren't taking away from other routes. So all day and evening new services through Lightsview and a 10 minute Galway Ave Go Zone during weekdays now and 15 minutes at night. Quite a good service level given the many other nearby Go Zones too!
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206/208/528 timetable: https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/__data ... _07_23.pdf

Can't say they've done the best job with this, particularly trying to coordinate the less-frequent 208 with the boosted 206, there are erratic headways all week. It might've made more sense to extend the 206 to Paradise and even out service levels between the two, or better yet, combine the two routes into one, and run shortened 528s as feeders off-peak to make up for the loss of the 208. But of course, it seems this timetable change is the result of political argy-bargy, rather than common sense, so why expect a more straightforward improvement? :roll:
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hillsbus wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:55 pm
The new 206 Go Zone was additional funding so all new services that aren't taking away from other routes. So all day and evening new services through Lightsview and a 10 minute Galway Ave Go Zone during weekdays now and 15 minutes at night. Quite a good service level given the many other nearby Go Zones too!
Not quite a 10 minute frequency. Its a 15 minute (206) plus 30 minute (208/208B) messily intertwined. Weekends its even worse, with two buses leaving Folland Avenue at the same time more or less (albeit on opposite sides of the road), and a messy frequency indeed for Galway Ave.

Fairly wasteful considering the dismal service in many outer suburbs - perhaps Riverlea could have received weekend buses had they removed some duplication on Galway Ave.

I am somewhat surprised the 206 was boosted to Go Zone instead of the 528 - from memory the New Network had the 528 as a high frequency route. I wonder whether peak hour patronage justifies all these buses running to essentially the same place?

On a brighter note, its reassuring to see new services to a growing area, Riverlea. Not a train line, but a start. Hopefully in the near future the 450 will be running all day, and weekends too. My suspicion is the 402 won’t last long, and is just a replacement for Pt Wakefield Rd after the 900 is removed.

The 195/196 service increase is a surprise too. Can’t say I’ve noticed weekend services being busy, or weekday services for that matter! And still no peak hour services heading away from Blackwood (allowing for train connections). There is still a later departure from Blackwood on weekends than weekdays :shock:
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:08 pm I am somewhat surprised the 206 was boosted to Go Zone instead of the 528 - from memory the New Network had the 528 as a high frequency route. I wonder whether peak hour patronage justifies all these buses running to essentially the same place?
My memory of the proposed New Network had the 528 running to a modified route :- from Muller Rd to Hampstead Rd and then following the 206 to Folland Ave.

A potential solution to the quandry of the headway on Galway Ave may be to reroute the 208 and make it an extension of the W91. This would (using my rough maths) provide the resources necessary to upgrade Sixth Ave to Go Zone standard, and some spare resources to spread around the network.

In saying all that, it is good to see additional resources placed into the network; hopefully more to come.
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The Phonj wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:33 pm My memory of the proposed New Network had the 528 running to a modified route :- from Muller Rd to Hampstead Rd and then following the 206 to Folland Ave.

A potential solution to the quandry of the headway on Galway Ave may be to reroute the 208 and make it an extension of the W91. This would (using my rough maths) provide the resources necessary to upgrade Sixth Ave to Go Zone standard, and some spare resources to spread around the network.

In saying all that, it is good to see additional resources placed into the network; hopefully more to come.
It's certainly nice to see extra funding into the network - it's been a fair few years since the last increase in funding. It would be nice if they did some reform while they were at it, your Sixth Avenue upgrade makes sense (and fills in a hole in the North East).
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Stop removal signs for 230/232 stops along South Rd have been put up today along with new stop poles (minus the stop numbers) for the new 232 route.
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Some time today the 402/450 timetable was uploaded to thr website https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/__data ... _07_23.pdf

Interesting note is that the 402 still features on the 401/403 timetable, but only for the portion along Waterloo Corner Rd. I guess to show people its there, but still somewhat unusual
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:56 pm Interesting note is that the 402 still features on the 401/403 timetable, but only for the portion along Waterloo Corner Rd. I guess to show people its there, but still somewhat unusual
Not without precedent. For some time, the 190 timetable has included limited 195 and 196 trips. The 861 includes limited 863, 864, N864 and 865. These are more to do with bulking up the Go Zones I suspect, but it's similar.
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With the 450 the 3:15, 4:15, 5:15, 6:15 and 7:15 services will be dead running back from Riverlea as there is no 450 departing Riverlea after 2:49.
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BusFan23 wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:29 am Sunday the 18th of July from what I’ve heard.
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743 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:06 pm
Not without precedent. For some time, the 190 timetable has included limited 195 and 196 trips. The 861 includes limited 863, 864, N864 and 865. These are more to do with bulking up the Go Zones I suspect, but it's similar.
This might be the only non- Go Zone timetable to include a similar route. It is also possibly the only to include the “limited service” on the routemap too, although from memory the 174 shows N178 and the 861 has the N864.

In any case, its a useful tool to show anyone using the paper timetable that other routes operate along the same corridor, and for the most part they are running between 401s to make a 15min frequency.
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Anytrip reported Torrens Transit’s Scania L94UB #1208 as the last 900 last night. First numbered in 1972, this brought an end to the 51 year history of the route.

Now there are no regular service routes in the 900 range (only school and other special services now use this range).
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Anytrip has reported Torrens Scania CB80 artic 843 as doing the the first 450, and 846 as the first 402.
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The Phonj wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:33 pm
Lt. Commander Data wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:08 pm I am somewhat surprised the 206 was boosted to Go Zone instead of the 528 - from memory the New Network had the 528 as a high frequency route. I wonder whether peak hour patronage justifies all these buses running to essentially the same place?
My memory of the proposed New Network had the 528 running to a modified route :- from Muller Rd to Hampstead Rd and then following the 206 to Folland Ave.

A potential solution to the quandry of the headway on Galway Ave may be to reroute the 208 and make it an extension of the W91. This would (using my rough maths) provide the resources necessary to upgrade Sixth Ave to Go Zone standard, and some spare resources to spread around the network.

In saying all that, it is good to see additional resources placed into the network; hopefully more to come.
Agree that it is great to see some extra funding put into PT. It’s great that the 206 now has services throughout the day and on nights & weekends, but I wonder should the whole route be a Go Zone or could we have alternate services (let’s call it Route 207) travelling the same as Route 206 then continuing via Hampstead Road then via Folland Avenue, Sir Ross Smith Blvd and current 208 to Paradise. Meanwhile additional 528 services so that they run all day and weekends (even if just feeder buses to Klemzig outside of peak and the 528/206 could possibly form a Northgate loop type service. The current 208 would be covered between 206 and 207 services with as mentioned earlier a possible extension of W91 to run something like the old 292 did but potentially to Paradise. All just some ideas to get best services in a growing area.
Additional 206 services are a great start
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The 300 timetable has also updated again from the earlier 2023 provisional one. I can't see this mentioned in Admet's notifications as with the others.

Timetable update notices are slotted in amongst all the other news instead of having a dedicated spot that could provide any updates at a glance. Details could then be included in the general news stream.

The "At a glance" box could simply show route number and bracketed date of latest change.
That's the way the whole thing started, silly but it's true ...
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