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STA Observations - January to June 2018

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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby boronia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:55 pm

Swift wrote:
hornetfig wrote:
Possibly. There's an advance No Left Turn sign before Tay Street too though.

Is a Buses Exempt sign too hard to staple on until the madness subsides?

IIRC, that sign reads "No left turn at Anzac Pde", but if you go into tay St, you are still turning left at Anzac Pde (although I'm sure that is not the intention).

There is also the (probably better) option of left into Doncaster, right into Abbotford, left into Anzac. This is regularly done by buses running NIS from the depot.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Swift » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:00 pm

boronia wrote:
Swift wrote:Is a Buses Exempt sign too hard to staple on until the madness subsides?

IIRC, that sign reads "No left turn at Anzac Pde", but if you go into tay St, you are still turning left at Anzac Pde (although I'm sure that is not the intention).

There is also the (probably better) option of left into Doncaster, right into Abbotford, left into Anzac. This is regularly done by buses running NIS from the depot.

I interpret no left turn into Anzac Pde to mean only that, not a ban on subsequently turning left after turning off Alison Rd into another St, in this case Tay St. That would not make sense at all, legally. Not hard. :roll:
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby sunnyyan » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:20 pm

How did a 400 get that far off route? Looking at the route map, I think the driver might have missed the turn from Cowper St into Cook.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Frosty » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:38 pm

^ Driver could of then just made a left at Allison Rd at the end of Cowper St more likely driver missed the left turn at Botany St & Arthur St & forced right into Wansey Rd.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby joshurandazzo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:44 pm

Spotted this artic on the 478 today at Rockdale
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby boronia » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:27 pm

If it is physically too hard because of the angle, why would they exempt buses?
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby tonyp » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:22 am

Daniel wrote:Even if we put aside the panel of approved suppliers, the bigger question is what NSW metro operator would go out on a limb to take on the extra operating costs of a fully low floor vehicle? Specifically if contract payments are based on a per km basis.

There is greater complexity in a vertical engine arrangement, angle drive and drop centre axles. Greater complexity equals greater time and cost to maintain in the longer term. Also consider a fully low floor vehicle is likely to result in greater glass area which is greater weight and cost, a taller saloon for the full length of the vehicle means a greater ac load and fuel cost? Another door, that adds another maintenance cost. The list goes on.

I've been following Latrobe Valley Bus Lines who've purchased a fleet of fully low floor Volvo B5LH (stepless aisle right up to the back) and they have no qualms about operating costs or ease of maintenance. In addition, this type of chassis is now used for double deckers in NSW and again there are evidently no concerns, yet some here claim it's apparently not OK for single deckers. Now CDC in Victoria is buying 50 low-floor single deckers:

https://www.busnews.com.au/industry-new ... -metro-cdc

It seems that the wall of the bullswool dam has breached. Particularly when you get cost-conscious private operators buying them and a government transit agency being concerned with "improving passenger access and safety".

Edit: Incidentally, with the mechanicals being relocated to the offside there for the RHD market, the way is apparently clear for a stepless back door, like this Wiener Linien version of the same model:

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