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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby boronia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:55 pm

Swift wrote:
hornetfig wrote:
Possibly. There's an advance No Left Turn sign before Tay Street too though.

Is a Buses Exempt sign too hard to staple on until the madness subsides?

IIRC, that sign reads "No left turn at Anzac Pde", but if you go into tay St, you are still turning left at Anzac Pde (although I'm sure that is not the intention).

There is also the (probably better) option of left into Doncaster, right into Abbotford, left into Anzac. This is regularly done by buses running NIS from the depot.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Swift » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:00 pm

boronia wrote:
Swift wrote:Is a Buses Exempt sign too hard to staple on until the madness subsides?

IIRC, that sign reads "No left turn at Anzac Pde", but if you go into tay St, you are still turning left at Anzac Pde (although I'm sure that is not the intention).

There is also the (probably better) option of left into Doncaster, right into Abbotford, left into Anzac. This is regularly done by buses running NIS from the depot.

I interpret no left turn into Anzac Pde to mean only that, not a ban on subsequently turning left after turning off Alison Rd into another St, in this case Tay St. That would not make sense at all, legally. Not hard. :roll:
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby sunnyyan » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:20 pm

How did a 400 get that far off route? Looking at the route map, I think the driver might have missed the turn from Cowper St into Cook.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Frosty » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:38 pm

^ Driver could of then just made a left at Allison Rd at the end of Cowper St more likely driver missed the left turn at Botany St & Arthur St & forced right into Wansey Rd.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby joshurandazzo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:44 pm

Spotted this artic on the 478 today at Rockdale
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby boronia » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:27 pm

If it is physically too hard because of the angle, why would they exempt buses?
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby tonyp » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:22 am

Daniel wrote:Even if we put aside the panel of approved suppliers, the bigger question is what NSW metro operator would go out on a limb to take on the extra operating costs of a fully low floor vehicle? Specifically if contract payments are based on a per km basis.

There is greater complexity in a vertical engine arrangement, angle drive and drop centre axles. Greater complexity equals greater time and cost to maintain in the longer term. Also consider a fully low floor vehicle is likely to result in greater glass area which is greater weight and cost, a taller saloon for the full length of the vehicle means a greater ac load and fuel cost? Another door, that adds another maintenance cost. The list goes on.

I've been following Latrobe Valley Bus Lines who've purchased a fleet of fully low floor Volvo B5LH (stepless aisle right up to the back) and they have no qualms about operating costs or ease of maintenance. In addition, this type of chassis is now used for double deckers in NSW and again there are evidently no concerns, yet some here claim it's apparently not OK for single deckers. Now CDC in Victoria is buying 50 low-floor single deckers:

https://www.busnews.com.au/industry-new ... -metro-cdc

It seems that the wall of the bullswool dam has breached. Particularly when you get cost-conscious private operators buying them and a government transit agency being concerned with "improving passenger access and safety".

Edit: Incidentally, with the mechanicals being relocated to the offside there for the RHD market, the way is apparently clear for a stepless back door, like this Wiener Linien version of the same model:

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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby marcnut1996 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:01 pm

Forgot to post this last Friday, this is a picture of 2111 on 15 June (its possibly last day or second last day in Port Botany Depot) running a 309.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby tonyp » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:08 pm

^^
Is that the only combo artic in the STA fleet?
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:46 pm

What is you definition of combo in this context? It is and soon was the only Scania K310UA in the STA fleet.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby tonyp » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:10 pm

"Combo" describes akaik an artic that's low-entry at the front door only and high floor through the rest of the bus.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby PoweredByCNG » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:14 pm

tonyp wrote:"Combo" describes akaik an artic that's low-entry at the front door only and high floor through the rest of the bus.


Low floor up to the centre axle is more correct.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Swift » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:12 am

Caught 3415 long bus locally to Maroubra shops city bound. After getting a bite to eat and shopping, what should take me back on the return trip? The driver even remembered me lol.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby lunchbox » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 pm

Artic 2110 spotted "failed" in lane 3 of Bathurst St. at ~6pm tonite (Th.21.6.18) between Castlereagh and Elizabeth. Bathurst St. chockers with traffic. Was cleared before 6.30
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby sunnyyan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:46 pm

Saw the M10 desto on 2812 today that the word 'then' has now been replaced with 'and'. Also some of the Bustechs don't have the PREPAY ONLY text in inverted (black on white).
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby boronia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:11 pm

I presumed that the non-inverted PREPAY was a problem with the Hanvover equipment, but one I saw yesterday had the front sign normal and the side sign inverted.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Frosty » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:38 pm

sunnyyan wrote:Saw the M10 desto on 2812 today that the word 'then' has now been replaced with 'and'. Also some of the Bustechs don't have the PREPAY ONLY text in inverted (black on white).

Most drivers I see simply still place the standard non and desto i.e. m20 Botany via Rosebery.

On another note I had seen P now has 12.5m Volvo B12BLEs Euro 5s very odd though I bet they wont stay long and I'm yet to see of P's new Volvo B8s on the road ?
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:12 am

I reckon in regards to P's new B8 Optimus, drivers are probably being trained first. I assume. After all, first Volvo's for P in a very long time (or if it all, I can't remember that far back). No need to worry, P is getting almost three times as many of those new buses as Y got (almost 30 roughly) - if I had my way, with that number, they'll hopefully also dethrone the dreaded Bustech that dominates the area at night (N10/N11 too) and give them a run for their money.

Had a pleasant surprise coming home tonight when I got a bus I completely forgot exists, the (at the moment) sole B8 CB80 2913 running in the NightRide

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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Swift » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:32 pm

The only Volvo bus to have a great(ish) engine sound is the B59 from 1970. All others that sound great are attributable to their gearbox, such as the B10M mark 1.
The B9-thingo coach has a beefy engine note but I don't think that engine will make it's way to a city bus.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby bussie » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:39 am

Swift wrote:The only Volvo bus to have a great(ish) engine sound is the B59 from 1970. All others that sound great are attributable to their gearbox, such as the B10M mark 1.
The B9-thingo coach has a beefy engine note but I don't think that engine will make it's way to a city bus.

To be fair, the ZF Ecolife gearbox is a really quiet one that allows for the engine noise to be heard a lot clearer than the Ecomat.

As for the Volvo D9B engine, it is available on the B9TL Deckers which CDC has (1 in Vic and 1 with Charterplus), if that counts as a city bus, and of course in Europe, it is available on B9RLE and B9L city buses. Chances of it appearing on an Australian single deck 12.5m city bus is low now that the 8 litre D8K engine is the main engine that powers the city bus product offering in Australia.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby pgt » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:42 pm

Makes more sense thinking about it, but seeing Burwood's 3866 Volvo B10BLE operating a route 530 out of Chatswood rather than a Leichhardt bus at least puts a bit of sanity into that route's operation, since Burwood depot is logically near one of the termini.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby AccordV6L » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:48 pm

I saw B's 2839 on Abbotsford 438 turning right off Parramatta Road into Great North Road at Five Dock around 9pm on Friday. Looked like about 10 or so people onboard.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby J_Busworth » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:11 pm

AccordV6L wrote:I saw B's 2839 on Abbotsford 438 turning right off Parramatta Road into Great North Road at Five Dock around 9pm on Friday. Looked like about 10 or so people onboard.


Westconnex works? I know that has been used as the detour when Ramsay is blocked off at Wattle for the works.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby Swift » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:53 am

bussie wrote:
As for the Volvo D9B engine, it is available on the B9TL Deckers which CDC has (1 in Vic and 1 with Charterplus), if that counts as a city bus, and of course in Europe, it is available on B9RLE and B9L city buses. Chances of it appearing on an Australian single deck 12.5m city bus is low now that the 8 litre D8K engine is the main engine that powers the city bus product offering in Australia.

Ohhh! :x I bet this D8K is more like the hissing 7L in character than the 0405 like D9B beef meister.
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Re: STA Observations - January to June 2018

Postby AccordV6L » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:08 pm

J_Busworth wrote:
AccordV6L wrote:I saw B's 2839 on Abbotsford 438 turning right off Parramatta Road into Great North Road at Five Dock around 9pm on Friday. Looked like about 10 or so people onboard.


Westconnex works? I know that has been used as the detour when Ramsay is blocked off at Wattle for the works.


If that was the case, I would've thought they'd send the 438/39 through the back of Haberfield and Rodd Point, like the 436. Then into the back of Five Dock via First Ave then Fairlight Street. I'm almost certain this diversion has been done before. Also, I only saw this one service on Parramatta Rd, none going in the opposite direction on 438 or 439.
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