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Use of Back Door on Buses

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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:04 am


I'm in Perth this week and can't open this page on my phone. Maybe you'd like to post a comment yourself Boronia and link this Boston comparison video which slays them.



Also worth pointing out that unsupervised all-door loading is used not only right across Europe and countries like Singapore and USA, but to varying degrees in WA, SA, Victoria, ACT and Queensland and why is NSW so resistant to it when it has Australia's busiest bus services? The 333 is virtually a tram service and needs to work efficiently like one. TIA!
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:45 am

tonyp wrote:

I'm in Perth this week and can't open this page on my phone. Maybe you'd like to post a comment yourself Boronia and link this Boston comparison video which slays them.



Also worth pointing out that unsupervised all-door loading is used not only right across Europe and countries like Singapore and USA, but to varying degrees in WA, SA, Victoria, ACT and Queensland and why is NSW so resistant to it when it has Australia's busiest bus services? The 333 is virtually a tram service and needs to work efficiently like one. TIA!

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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:33 pm

A little drama today boarding an M40 that was about 17 minutes late, stop was crowded.

Firstly some pax decided to just board through the middle door and of course got completely raged at by the driver, but not even that, special princess elderly woman is walking towards the front door from the middle seat and rather rudely tells all of us to let her off first....sometimes, sorry, I really think exiting through the front door should just be blacklisted. There was a door right next to you you could’ve exited from that we normally aren’t allowed to board from and you still chose the front door.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby boronia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:03 pm

Centre doors are not always lined up with kerbs, sometimes lined up with driveways or trees, seats, rubbish bins. Both of these can be problems for elderly or less mobile, so they prefer to use the front door.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:16 pm

^ what about the multitude of times I have seen this disruptive behaviour when that isn't the case?
What I notice as well are slow unsteady elderly passengers who amble up the back of the bus when there are plenty of seats available in the front half. These same people probably still insist on exiting at the front.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:36 am

Bear in mind the years of conditioning by operators and drivers to use the front door and associated uncertainty whether the back door will open or not; little wonder that people head for the front of the bus for certainty that they will be able to get off. All that Pavlovian behaviour has to be unlearned when change finally comes. Melbourne tram drivers still experience people rushing to the front door to board as a flow-on from a period of experimentation with front-door loading and passenger flow in the 1970s, over 30 years ago. Poor passenger management decisions can be quite damaging in terms of behavioural psychology.

Then there's old buggers like me who grew up boarding and exiting buses through both doors.....
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby boronia » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:07 am

Swift wrote:^ what about the multitude of times I have seen this disruptive behaviour when that isn't the case?
What I notice as well are slow unsteady elderly passengers who amble up the back of the bus when there are plenty of seats available in the front half. These same people probably still insist on exiting at the front.

If these people don't get a seat in the first few seconds, the driver will take off - usually leaving pax on the floor or struggling to keep upright.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:34 am

boronia wrote:I see TfNSW is now promoting the new Bondi changes on Facebook. Might be a good opportunity to make some comments about the efficincy benefits of all door boarding on the 333.

That post seemed to have been taken down soon after it was posted so I guess there wasn't any opportunity for comment.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby ScaniaGrenda » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:06 pm

So that's twice in two days now I've seen the back door in use on Hunter Valley Buses buses (heh)

Yesterday it was on 1557 MO on a route 181 at a pub in town (tho I suspect the driver may of accidentally pushed the back door button as no one got off via the back door and the driver was quick to close it anyway)

Then again today on 6804 MO on route 183 which I exited the bus by and it remained open until the bus was ready to depart (So not an accidental button push by the driver this time)

I then got on another bus with just myself (and the driver) got off at my stop and since I was at the back of the bus, went to tap off at the rear door opal readers and the Driver didn't open the rear door but rather the front doors still.

Think I got word somewhere a long time back that the backdoor (at least on HVB) is just another means of an emergency exit door should the front be unavailable to use. That or it comes down to driver preference but I've been on 300+ bus trips (even school buses during my schooling years) and have never really seen back doors in use on Hunter Valley buses until now.

Newcastle Transport (even when State Transit was around in Newcastle) have always been using backdoors, probably one of the very few operators down here locally that use their back doors full time
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