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Construction will soon start on Aubin Grove station

More than 3900 passengers are expected to board at Aubin Grove each day, which will be connected by two footbridges to link the station to the communities on either side of the freeway.

Features of the project include:
• A multi-modal station with approximately 2000 parking bays
• Six buses feeder services into Cockburn and Aubin Grove stations
• Bicycle facilities and connections to local paths
• Two three-railcar trains acquired to accommodate the extra passengers
• Passenger amenities, including toilets, lifts, stairs and escalators



http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/Projects/Aubin ... efault.asp


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Evidently our posts had crossed here, two threads on this within a few minutes

Ive copied my post here and deleted the original/duplicate thread:
900 series wrote:The tender for construction of Aubin Grove station will be released today, for construction next year and finishing in 2016
>3900 expected daily boardings
>6 new feeder bus routes, three from Cockburn to Aubin Grove and 3 from Aubin Grove going south

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I would have been more than happy to merge my post, I had a feeling another member would have beat me to it, judging from the artists impressions it looks futuristic just like Butler station, this station is badly needed, I really like the design, the architects and the PTA are coming up with some really interesting designs for train stations Butler, Beckenham, Kenwick and now Aubin Grove, very modern and very futuristic

Community Information Session
The PTA is holding an information night to present details of the project and give community members a chance to ask additional questions about the future station. Please email projects@pta.wa.gov.au to register your interest to attend.

WHAT: Aubin Grove Station Community Information Session
WHEN: Tuesday, 22 July at 6.30pm
WHERE: Aubin Grove Community Centre – Camden Blvd, Aubin Grove
REGISTER: projects@pta.wa.gov.au


It would be nice to see the track speed upgraded from 130km/h to 140km/h as journey times will increase don't know by how much though especially for those having to travel the whole distance mainly for work purposes or at least change the express patterns and bring back the off peak Cockburn- Whitfords shuttles, or perhaps have a twice an hour service which runs express from Butler to Mandurah only stopping at Perth underground and Esplanade
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Thats bluddy sick! How awesome is that!!!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't an express train catch up to an all stops train. The express train would have to slow down and keep a safe distance behind.

I think well have to settle with semi-express for a while. If only we had quadruple track...I'm sure a weekday Perth-Fremantle express would be patronised up, or a weekend Perth-Mandurah express.
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Basic maths suggests that the overall Perth-Mandurah Line will probably take 51-53 minutes as oppose to the current 48-50 minutes. When we have enough rolling stock, it would be a wiser idea to run trains every 10 minutes off-peak throughout the day than to run expresses or short shuttles which won't carry much. If/when the link between Thornlie and Cockburn is complete, you could then alter stopping pattern on the mainline down to Mandurah (as you would have trains coming through the Thornlie/Canning Vale link), so journey times would probably be reduced back down to 50 minutes or less. Of course probably not something that will happen within this decade though. Any future station on the Mandurah Line would have to justify some sort of improvement in travel time (especially anything built between Warnbro and Mandurah).
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Mr OC Benz wrote:Basic maths suggests that the overall Perth-Mandurah Line will probably take 51-53 minutes as oppose to the current 48-50 minutes. When we have enough rolling stock, it would be a wiser idea to run trains every 10 minutes off-peak throughout the day than to run expresses or short shuttles which won't carry much. If/when the link between Thornlie and Cockburn is complete, you could then alter stopping pattern on the mainline down to Mandurah (as you would have trains coming through the Thornlie/Canning Vale link), so journey times would probably be reduced back down to 50 minutes or less. Of course probably not something that will happen within this decade though. Any future station on the Mandurah Line would have to justify some sort of improvement in travel time (especially anything built between Warnbro and Mandurah).

Perhaps every second train could deviate via the Thornlie loop if/when the extension gets eventuated which who knows could be soon as part of the stadium transport package, a station has been proposed for the space between Warnbro & Mandurah stations either to be called Karnup or Lakelands just immediately south of the crossovers, that region will probably start being developed soon in the not too distant future, if you also include the proposed future South Perth station journey times on the Mandurah line would increase to around 60 minutes, if you also include the future extension to Yanchep that's another 3 stations (Alkimos, Eglington & Yanchep) the north south lines will have around 30 stations in total, however that's not for some time into the future just yet, one way to improve the service would be to upgrade signalling to allow for a 10 minute frequency and track speed to allow trains to run at 140km/h rather than 130km/h. don't forget that the Mandurah line corridor is likely to be home to second Perth airport
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TP1462 wrote:Perhaps every second train could deviate via the Thornlie loop if/when the extension gets eventuated which who knows could be soon as part of the stadium transport package, a station has been proposed for the space between Warnbro & Mandurah stations either to be called Karnup or Lakelands just immediately south of the crossovers, that region will probably start being developed soon in the not too distant future, if you also include the proposed future South Perth station journey times on the Mandurah line would increase to around 60 minutes, if you also include the future extension to Yanchep that's another 3 stations (Alkimos, Eglington & Yanchep) the north south lines will have around 30 stations in total, however that's not for some time into the future just yet, one way to improve the service would be to upgrade signalling to allow for a 10 minute frequency and track speed to allow trains to run at 140km/h rather than 130km/h. don't forget that the Mandurah line corridor is likely to be home to second Perth airport
Running Mandurah trains via Thornlie is a poor idea. Experience in others states has shown that if services can be kept consistent and segregated, they will be more efficient and reliable. If / when the Thornlie spur is extended to Cockburn, it is imperative that a new platform be built at Cockburn Central station in order to cater for terminating trains, and additionally, trains entering and leaving Cockburn Central station heading to / from Thornlie must not cross paths with trains to / from Mandurah.
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There's no reason they couldn't though and I wouldn't call it poor as such.

With improved signalling, and better designed trains with more doors, you could achieve 20-30 trains per hour on the entire length of the line. Currently only 12tph operate on the NSR and SSR and that's only between Perth-Cockburn with a 5 minute frequency.

The other states fail to do this well, because they lack one thing or another (suitable trains, capable signalling or ageing infrastructure all contributing to overall reliability). Whereas Perth has been lucky that the station and railway infrastructure is very modern, signalling can be upgraded and with changes in train layouts, can make operations even better. Reliability is still far better in Perth than other states for trains too at present.

You could have frequent Perth-Cockburn shuttles (via Bull Creek), Perth-Mandurah (via Bull Creek) and Perth-Mandurah (via Thornlie) all running, and on the entire Mandurah Line, you could have a train every 2 minutes without difficulty. Not that such capacity would be needed yet and with the opportunity to extend the length of consists, there is even more additional capacity.

Paris Metro Line 13 runs something ridiculous like a train every 90 seconds (and I think they are only three doors per carriage, not four like some other lines), with it spurring off to two different destinations at a 3 minute frequency. At the time I was there, I think this was being achieved without fully automated operation either.
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Looking to the future, this station should be located near Rowley road instead of near Gibbs Rd. Considering the growth in the Aubin Grove/Wandi area it would be more practical. I think Aubin Grove is too close to Cockburn Central.
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PoweredByCNG wrote:Running Mandurah trains via Thornlie is a poor idea. Experience in others states has shown that if services can be kept consistent and segregated, they will be more efficient and reliable. If / when the Thornlie spur is extended to Cockburn, it is imperative that a new platform be built at Cockburn Central station in order to cater for terminating trains, and additionally, trains entering and leaving Cockburn Central station heading to / from Thornlie must not cross paths with trains to / from Mandurah.
Poor? There's nothing "poor" about it! :roll: :roll: It's an excellent, certainly faster way to get across to that part of the metro area while providing more cross-suburban coverage. It's frankly a no-brainer. What needs to be segregated so urgently?
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Mr OC Benz wrote:There's no reason they couldn't though and I wouldn't call it poor as such.

With improved signalling, and better designed trains with more doors, you could achieve 20-30 trains per hour on the entire length of the line. Currently only 12tph operate on the NSR and SSR and that's only between Perth-Cockburn with a 5 minute frequency.

The other states fail to do this well, because they lack one thing or another (suitable trains, capable signalling or ageing infrastructure all contributing to overall reliability). Whereas Perth has been lucky that the station and railway infrastructure is very modern, signalling can be upgraded and with changes in train layouts, can make operations even better. Reliability is still far better in Perth than other states for trains too at present.

You could have frequent Perth-Cockburn shuttles (via Bull Creek), Perth-Mandurah (via Bull Creek) and Perth-Mandurah (via Thornlie) all running, and on the entire Mandurah Line, you could have a train every 2 minutes without difficulty. Not that such capacity would be needed yet and with the opportunity to extend the length of consists, there is even more additional capacity.

Paris Metro Line 13 runs something ridiculous like a train every 90 seconds (and I think they are only three doors per carriage, not four like some other lines), with it spurring off to two different destinations at a 3 minute frequency. At the time I was there, I think this was being achieved without fully automated operation either.

Mr OC Benz is pretty much on the ball with this one, it wouldn't take much to upgrade the signalling, trains with more doors possibly maybe in 30-40 years time when the B series are retired who knows the NSR & SSR could possibly get some C series when they're eventually ordered just to cope with patronage demand if no more B series are ordered, 9car trains are pretty much inevitable, Perth still has one of the most reliable urban rail networks in Australia, we're very fortunate to have a system that's been rebuilt from the ground up, both electric rolling stock types have proven to be reliable breeds the A series have probably still got another 30 years in them and although they're only a 2car set they're very brilliant little trains for what they are extremely modern for their age too I might add, the Perth urban rail network has proven time and time again to be a reliable system as well as the forefront of the paragons of planning are concerned.
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Most patronage is and will be coming to and from the city. Capacity on this route needs to be the priority, not a strange cross suburban journey that isn't regularly traveled. Remember the 529 failure (yes, I know, the general public like trains more than buses, but still).

I'm in favour of a Perth---Thornlie---Cockburn Central or Roe Highway/Freeway---Spearwood---Fremantle---Perth Southern Circle more or less along the freight rail line (rather than Perth---Thornlie---Cockburn Central---Mandurah).
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But that won't be the case in the future when decentralising of employment from the City will result in many other strategic centres as defined in "Directions 2031" to play an important role in far more commercial opportunities and employment. And also the other reason why most patronage is in and out of the City is because there is a lack of attractive cross-suburban PT services to the point where it is actually quicker sometimes to go from say Joondalup to Ellenbrook via the City on the train then bus rather than cutting across bypassing the City on say the 344 or 371.

Also my suggestion above would imply that capacity is still prioritised on the most important section, Perth-Cockburn via Canning Bridge, Bull Creek and Murdoch, but cross-suburban trains will mean that additional capacity can also be provided on the southern part which will inevitably be needed anyway. Apart from Fremantle which would still not be connected by Rail to the SSR, Cannington, Armadale, Rockingham and Mandurah - all identified as strategic centres will all be playing a much more critical role in being major employment centres and with this Rail linkage will help to cater for the passenger trends. Perth City will still be a major centre, but all the other suburban centres will play a much more important role in the future than they do now and it is important that they are all sufficiently connected to the rest of the metropolitan area. A Southern Circle type line will be needed at some stage, particularly linking Perth Airport and the surrounding industrial area with the rest of the network, and at that stage would mean alterations to existing stopping patterns or lines used would be needed, but that missing link is unlikely to happen as soon as a cross-suburban linking the Armadale and Mandurah lines, and the rail line to Forrestfield (which will be positioned well to be extended to link with the Armadale Line and the cross-suburban).

Based on PTA's ideal replacement strategy, railcars are expected to last 35 years, which would mean the A series would be up for replacement around 2025-2030.
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There is no reason to trains running to / from Mandurah via Thornlie. Not only would this reduce the number of paths available for direct services on the Mandurah to Butler corridor, but it will hold up traffic at the level crossings on the Armadale line as well as cause potential disruptions to multiple lines if an incident occurs. No amount of signalling, suitable railcars or suitably qualified staff would be able to produce a 'perfect world' system.

Passengers wanting to travel to Thornlie and beyond from Mandurah (which would, as far as I can see, be a relatively low-demand journey even if trains existed along that corridor today) would only need to change at Cockburn Central if / when the Thornlie spur is connected to the Mandurah line anyway.
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It won't hold up traffic at level crossings on the Armadale Line because the frequency would not be much different to what it is now with the Thornlie Line as is (4tph). Maybe up to 6tph, which with the current 12tph on the direct Mandurah Line, there would only be 2 kilometres of track to Cockburn where there would be 18tph. Say that to cater for additional capacity, Mandurah Line trains ran every 4 minutes as 8-9 car consists, that is still only 21tph. It might be necessary to duplicate the 2 kilometre section into Cockburn Central, but there is no reason trains can't continue onwards to Mandurah as the 4 minute (or even frequent) frequency direct from Perth would halve from Cockburn Central onwards on the direct line anyway.

It is inevitable anyway that more grade separated crossings on the Armadale Line will be needed regardless to cater for additional demand in the future, so it makes no difference to trains which may be spurring off the Mandurah Line or not.

Of course when the missing links, Forrestfield-Kenwick and Cockburn-Fremantle are eventually built, then it would make more sense that trains via Thornlie don't run down to Mandurah. But the flexibility is there to do so in the short-medium term, especially for special events or additional capacity, track work or as you suggest, incidents which could occur and if demand sees fit, permanently in the longer term too. The line itself would pass through strategic centres Cannington, Rockingham and Mandurah and the secondary centres Cockburn Central and Kwinana, with that line and the direct Mandurah line also linking up other important centres. Any disruption is still relatively isolated, just more trains, but that is bound to happen anyway when capacity is expanded on any line.
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102 at 1625 wrote:Most patronage is and will be coming to and from the city. Capacity on this route needs to be the priority, not a strange cross suburban journey that isn't regularly traveled. Remember the 529 failure (yes, I know, the general public like trains more than buses, but still).
Strange? What planet are you on?. It has been well identified how much of an important role the south-eastern region (Canning Vale etc) provides as an employment sector for those living around the Cockburn to Kwinana region. This is not some loopy ideology about "what I prefer" (the stupidity of "core times" comes to mind). It is a very similar to the North Shore/Epping situation in Sydney.

And the 529 is a ridiculous yet telling example of the amateur planning from those who come straight out of uni and know everything yet nothing. Blind fred could've seen the failure in that.
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The fact the only real catchment on the 529 was point to point - Cockburn and Armadale, with a teeny weeny catchment in Forrestdale is enough to see how difficult it would've been to justify. At least the 519 has quite a corridor from Murdoch, along South St, through Harrisdale etc, then Forrestdale and Armadale.
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Mr OC Benz, point taken on the decentralisation of employment point and the additional flexibility.

My point with the 529 was that the patronage for a fast, direct link between the Mandurah and Armadale lines does not exist. I don't think that enough people travel from Aubin Grove, and the Kwinana, Rockingham and Mandurah areas to justify services running from Thornlie to Mandurah (or Perth to Mandurah via Thornlie).

The 519 cannot be used to justify regular Mandurah to Thornlie services, or the 517 for that matter. The 519 operates every hour off peak on weekdays only, and takes a much less direct route. The 517 operates hourly off peak and does reach Thornlie on Sundays. To run two car trains from Mandurah to Thornlie even every half hour off peak every day would be a massive increase in capacity. The buses also have the advantage of picking up local residents in the suburban backstreets. The train does this to a much lesser extent. I used the 529 comparison because it was designed to, just as you said, move passengers from point to point, from the Mandurah line to the Armadale line. This is basically what trains from Mandurah to Thornlie do.

I am not saying a train line from Thornlie to Cockburn is a waste of money. I would like a train line from Thornlie all the way to Fremantle! I just don't see the point of services that go from Mandurah to Thornlie. Passengers could still change trains onto my dream "southern circle" line with only a small time penalty, and, in my opinion, a substantial saving in resources.
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Mr OC Benz is right, the city shouldn't be the central part of a public transport system, public transport (and the city) should not be centralized. Having this line will benefit the whole city. The line is needed to Cockburn anyway, but by having it continue onto Mandurah it provides additional capacity along that section of track. Just because it runs from Mandurah to Perth via Thornlie doesn't mean people will use it for that purpose. Maybe someone who lives in Belier will stop driving now because they can bus it to Cockburn then train it to Canning Vale for work. Or someone up in the North can do the same by training it the whole way to Canning Vale in ease. The line does not simply serve people adjacent to it but everyone due to our integrated system. It is necessary to build up out strategic centres and it is vital they have good public transport access, for a city our size that means trains and trams. And there was nothing wrong with the 529, it was just to soon to justify.
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/ ... n-station/

Georgiou group has started construction on the new station, the station is expected to open early next year
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The project was originally cost $80 million with the inclusion of purchasing an extra two 3-rail car Sets worth $23 million.
However in April 2015 the government added $25 million with the upgrades to Russell Rd/Gibbs Rd.
https://www.businessnews.com.au/article ... -hits-120m
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