Re: New Perth Stadium Transport Plan
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:15 pm
I passed through the stadium station yesterday. It's just awesome.
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Sydney Olympic Park only has 2 tracks with 4 faces. Part of me thinks this is overkill but another part loves the ambition in this project.adx666 wrote:6 Platforms!!!
Not nowadays afaik in terms of an intention to move 100% of maximum attendance of 60,000 entirely with public transport or walking (mostly within one hour of finish) and no provision for car parking on site (except disabled).simonl wrote:Holy thread necromancy batman!
Sydney Olympic Park only has 2 tracks with 4 faces. Part of me thinks this is overkill but another part loves the ambition in this project.adx666 wrote:6 Platforms!!!
22 bus stands too. I think Suncorp in Brisbane has about 8. The Gabba has 8 + a few street stands and no rail station.
Are the planned services to every line a go? Is anything comparable to this anywhere in Australia?
simonl wrote:Holy thread necromancy batman!
Sydney Olympic Park only has 2 tracks with 4 faces. Part of me thinks this is overkill but another part loves the ambition in this project.adx666 wrote:6 Platforms!!!
22 bus stands too. I think Suncorp in Brisbane has about 8. The Gabba has 8 + a few street stands and no rail station.
Are the planned services to every line a go? Is anything comparable to this anywhere in Australia?
All lines but Midland & Mandurah will be connected to Optus stadium, Thornlie will run pre event but not post (buses will run from Cannington however capacity on Armadale will be bolstered), PTA has posted a video of the station being tested the signalling system allows for a continuous flow of trains onto the platforms, some platforms are 235m long all of which can be lengthened to 300m although probably not needed, 9car shuttles between Perth & Optus stadium can run but it’s not desired, the future Thornlie line extension will connect to the Mandurah line which is due for completion in 2021-22, post event trains will run every 1-2 minutes, East Perth station has been upgraded for Midland and the future Forrestfield and Ellenbrook line services, the C series once delivered and in service will help with dwell times as the extra doors will allow for a faster flow of peds in and out of the railcars and lastly once the Matagarup bridge is complete additional buses to Perth busport, Wanneroo and I believe Forrestfield will runsimonl wrote:Holy thread necromancy batman!
Sydney Olympic Park only has 2 tracks with 4 faces. Part of me thinks this is overkill but another part loves the ambition in this project.adx666 wrote:6 Platforms!!!
22 bus stands too. I think Suncorp in Brisbane has about 8. The Gabba has 8 + a few street stands and no rail station.
Are the planned services to every line a go? Is anything comparable to this anywhere in Australia?
Don't tar other cities with the same brush as Sydney. There is no parking for general admission at Suncorp or The Gabba.tonyp wrote:Not nowadays afaik in terms of an intention to move 100% of maximum attendance of 60,000 entirely with public transport or walking (mostly within one hour of finish) and no provision for car parking on site (except disabled).
Perth Stadium is the third-largest in Australia in capacity, after MCG and Sydney Olympic Park. It's the largest current stadium to have a transport plan based exclusively on public transport and walking, as all other large venues around Australia, apart from the two Brisbane ones, have various degrees of parking available. The smaller Lang Park in Brisbane (52,000 capacity) is served by train, bus and walking. The Gabba (42,000 capacity) is more bus-based and it would be interesting to know how long it takes to empty a capacity crowd out of it after an event, bearing in mind its much lower capacity.simonl wrote: Don't tar other cities with the same brush as Sydney. There is no parking for general admission at Suncorp or The Gabba.
I'm not sure about Melbourne's stadiums but I'd be surprised if they had the huge car parks which exist at Olympic Park and Moore Park. I suspect Adelaide would be car dominated.
28500 pax/hour? That seems a pretty low ball estimate from six platforms.
How am I selling them short? I presume that this list is pretty accurate (Perth hasn't been added to it yet but it sits at third place).simonl wrote:You're selling the Qld stadiums short there, which were built that way long before Sydney Olympic Park.
Without wanting to go too far down the path of city oneupmanship, WACA predates both Brisbane stadiums and was served by a high-capacity tram loop which is a direct indication of the volume of transit patronage at the venue. The Gabba and Ascot Racecourse had tram loops. With Lang Park I imagine trams and trains shared the load. Trams (and trains) have everything to do with enabling the intial capacity and location of these venues because they had to get people to and from them in the pre-automobile age.simonl wrote:Because they built high transit use stadiums well before Perth did. We've talked about the Gabba before, which is the opposite of what was done later in Sydney.
What do trams have to do with anything which happened in the last 40 years, other than establishing urban form?
Route 656 (Canning Vale) and 657 (Curtin University) have stops along Albany Hwy in Victoria Park to/from the stadium.hack404 wrote:Any idea how Victoria Park will be serviced from the stadium?
Perhaps it's because of the lack of visual distinction of such cars compared to taxis, they're concerned that a lot of people will sneak in private drop-offs pretending to be a Uber etc and that will be hard to police. It's a bold move making such a major venue car-free, I think they have to be fairly savage about enforcing it, knowing Perthians' love of driving everywhere, given half the chance.TP1462 wrote:https://thewest.com.au/news/perth/perth ... ign=buffer
Uber and other riding sharing services banned with a 2km exclusion zone along Vic Park drive which is rather extreme and quite anti competitive as well
Good. Uber is an unregulated nuisance and the presence of their drivers would only cause additional chaos around the Stadium during events.tonyp wrote: Perhaps it's because of the lack of visual distinction of such cars compared to taxis, they're concerned that a lot of people will sneak in private drop-offs pretending to be a Uber etc and that will be hard to police. It's a bold move making such a major venue car-free, I think they have to be fairly savage about enforcing it, knowing Perthians' love of driving everywhere, given half the chance.
That's a narrow minded view. If congestion was the real issue, taxis would be banned too with the exception of disabled taxi for passengers with genuine accessibility needs. Uber is a reflection of market demands and demonstrates that people will no longer tolerate being gouged by taxis.Merc1107 wrote: Good. Uber is an unregulated nuisance and the presence of their drivers would only cause additional chaos around the Stadium during events.
That's a tad harsh too. There are plenty of areas in Perth that are in the middle of nowhere and are only serviced by either 5 or 6 day a week services, or very low frequency Sunday/Public holiday services. This makes a car journey (by whatever means) the only option to get to the public transport network. A good example is my area, Byford. The first AFL match is on a Sunday night (25/3/18). The only bus service 254 runs every 2 hours. Depending on where you live in Byford, that could be up a 3Km walk just to access the bus. As the last service from Armadale leaves at 4:28pm, there is no way of getting back to Byford after the match other than a lift/taxi/uber etc... from Armadale station.Merc1107 wrote:If people live that far out in the middle of nowhere, and find public transport so useless, why not take an Uber to the train or bus station and use the public transport included in the cost of the ticket? That said, a lot of effort has gone into adding special event bus routes to areas not well-served by heavy rail or feeders, so I find it hard to believe anyone would need to Uber or Taxi in, unless they aren't particularly mobile.
busdriver12 wrote:That's a narrow minded view. If congestion was the real issue, taxis would be banned too with the exception of disabled taxi for passengers with genuine accessibility needs.Merc1107 wrote: Good. Uber is an unregulated nuisance and the presence of their drivers would only cause additional chaos around the Stadium during events.