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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby perthbus » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:32 pm

It depends greatly on service requirements, replacing write offs both accidents and mechanical failures, % of non accessible buses in fleet...a large number of Renaults have been withdrawn over the past few months.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:24 pm

Will Welshpool be receiving any new diesels or is this primarily to remain a gas depot?
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:29 pm

Depends on what expansion if any that may necessitate having additional buses, and those that need to be replaced it may work better to continue sending the new ones to Kalamunda then transferring the NHs etc to Welshpool. Not primarily based on the fuel type availability as depots such as Malaga and Palmyra which have CNG facilities are still also getting new diesel buses too.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby 102 at 1625 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:43 am

I was wondering if a somebody could answer a few burning questions for me...

  1. How do the various bus companies bill the PTA for their work. Is might be by service km, but then why does the PTA bother to have bus services depart at strange times (like :02), especially on weekends when they have spare buses, as they wont get billed for requiring more drivers. Is it by service minutes, but doesn't driving a bus at high speeds require more fuel (and therefore more cost) than driving at low speeds? Is it by actual minutes (from when the driver signs on to when the signs off, to make allowance for delays)? Does it include non-service (000) minutes? Is it a combination of those options? Or is the PTA billed some other way?
  2. How does the PTA timetable exact bus departure times to maximise efficiency (i.e. :01 or :02 etc). I would assume some computer software is used. How was it done before computers?
  3. What happened to the TransRegional brand and the proposed website?
  4. What's this? It actually looks...good!
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:09 am

1. Doesn't work like that. PTA pay the contractors (in this case bus operators) on a per kilometre basis. Reading publicly available tender documents on the provision of bus services that appear on the Tendsrs WA website from time to time is a good way, if you're interested to get a better understanding of how it works behind the scenes.
2. The departure times can be related to a number of factors.
- Journey time
- Any potential coordinated frequency with another route to try and even out the intervals
- Maximising efficiency (i.e. the possibility that you can save one bus and the costs associated by having the bus depart at :01 or :02 rather than at :00 etc)
- To a smaller extent, bus terminus capacity (e.g. Rather than having 20 different bus services departing the Busport at the same time, staggering them would enable better use of the facilities and bus stands/layover as well as improve reliability if you don't have 20 different buses racing each other out of the Busport through the green light at the same time
3. Seems to be delayed... again, or potentially integrated with point 4 below.
4. New Transperth website as a BETA version at the moment. It does look good and definitely a lot of improvements and advancements by the looks of it. Will be good once it is fully implemented.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby laptop15 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:09 am

Thanks so much for that! How did you find it? I think its brilliant! However I would like to see more info put on the visitors to Perth and regional services pages (though I know its sill beta)
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Great improvement - I like it!
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby JC2314 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:11 pm

It's what Transperth need! It also explains how fares and zones work with examples, good for those new to the system!
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby mrobsessed » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:16 pm

The Transperth app is good also.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby actually » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:56 pm

I think the 2 section fare should only apply when using a smart rider. The minimum cash fare should be a 1 zone ticket.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:25 pm

I disagree. The two-section fare is good because it covers the disadvantages of Zonal fare structures where you are disadvantaged just because you live just outside the border of Zone 1 for example. So rather than paying for a 2 Zone ticket to travel a short distance which happens to cross the zone boundary, the two-section fare covers this loophole as such, whereas other cities do not have this concept and passengers are more or less penalised just because the radius of a zone puts them just outside a boundary. It evens out the system and fare paying passengers somewhat. But I do agree that it could be named something else as irregular users or visitors to Perth can get confused by the two-section and 2 Zone fare which are two completely different tickets. If the two-section fare was removed, many people would probably have to pay a 2 zone fare rather than a 1 zone fare just to travel a short distance if they happen to be near a Zone boundary, hardly fair to the customer.

One thing I don't understand is why the Concession Smartrider has a cap at the Dayrider rate while the Standard Smartrider doesn't seem to?
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby actually » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:54 pm

I didn't say it shouldn't exist but it should only apply when using a smart rider....just my opion.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby tbc1983 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:50 am

^^^Wasn't there a 1 section fare back in the '90s?

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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:59 pm

No 1983!
The two-section fare is definitely warranted as per benz's points above. Also BD12...agreed wholeheartedly although "nomenclature" - please....terminology did the job lol.
In London they used to simply call it a "short hop" fare, whatever the predetermined distance was.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:56 pm

I had similar problems when young - even had my family get written confirmation of the 2-section fare I was entitled to, and after seeing it (every evening I travelled home same time/route) he still argued.
I really wonder if some of these drivers sleep well at night with all their stress-inducing pedantic knit-picking. I personally wouldn't give one f*ck even if I was wrong lol
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby 102 at 1625 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:55 pm

I wrote:What happened to the TransRegional brand and the proposed website?

I seem to have answered my own question by finding this. It explains the blue colour of the new TransRegional timetables. Also, this page suggests that there are 3 town bus routes around Carnarvon. Does anyone know anything more about these services?
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:38 pm

I like the branding but the functionality needs work.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby timetable gunzel » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:05 pm

Can anyone tell me if the current Route 200 Cannington to Booragoon is a re-numbering of a previous Route. If it is not, when did the existing 200 commence?
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:15 pm

Remember its still in BETA stage.

Route 200 was formerly Route 205 and was renumbered fairly recently.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby timetable gunzel » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:09 pm

Gents,

Thanks for the Route 200 info.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby the c man » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:52 pm

Since most buses in the transperth fleet and the new b set are 4 digits, should all a series trains have 4 digits so instead of 301/201 it will be 3001/2001 to be in line with most buses and all new b sets???
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby Mr OC Benz » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:00 pm

Not all buses are four digits and certainly doesn't look to be that way given random fleet acquisitions which now have buses numbered with UQB and three digit fleet numbers (e.g TransRegional acquisitions). Trains is just a continuation and I don't necessarily think adding a four digit to the existing fleet is necessary right now, but perhaps they will do this over time...
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby User 11872 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:15 pm

There's 4-digit Reno's even
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby pasha241 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:07 am

can anyone tell me is most of non accessible bus/old bus is not doing any route service on weekends. because today i went to city and Mirrabooka today. i don't see any Renault, O405 CNG and other old bus.
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Re: WA Transport Questions thread

Postby perthbus » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:07 am

pasha241 wrote:can anyone tell me is most of non accessible bus/old bus is not doing any route service on weekends. because today i went to city and Mirrabooka today. i don't see any Renault, O405 CNG and other old bus.


Good, they should be all parked up in the depot on weekends and after 8pm weekdays.
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