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Here's one I thought about...

Route 248 - Armadale Station to Hilbert (Lexington Ave)
From Armadale Station Stand 2
L onto Commerce Ave, L Forrest Rd, L Weatherly Way, L Parkhurst Ave, R Eleventh Rd, R Rowley Rd, R Allwood Ave, L Vermillon Bvd, R Rowley Rd, R Hopkinson Rd, continue as Rowley Rd, L Lexington Ave to a stop before Fenchurch Drive.

Operating hours & Frequency
To Armadale Station
M-F: 6am to 7pm, half hourly to 7am, 15 mins to 8am, half hourly to 9am, hourly to 3pm, half hourly to last service
Sat: 8am to 6pm, hourly
Sun: 9am to 5pm, hourly
To Hilbert
M-F: 7:30am to 8pm, half hourly to 9am, hourly to 3pm, half hourly to 4:30pm, 15 mins to 6pm, half hourly to 7pm, and 8pm
Sat: 7:30am to 5:30pm, hourly
Sun: 8:30am to 5:30pm, hourly

Reasoning for route - serves new housing estates in Hilbert, while also serving existing estates and areas not served by a route.

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one interesting proposal that i planning to make

Extend 449 to Beechboro from Malaga

Proposal 1: Extend to Springs Shopping Centre
Route will extend to Springs Shopping Centre from Malaga via: Marshall Rd, R Beechbooro Rd and vice versa

Reason for extending - To make new connection between Beechbooro/Bennett springs to Malaga/Ballajura because these area is close each other but dont have link connection (they must to go morley first then catch 344). Also this is good for Beechbooro resident whose school is in area like Malaga, Mirrabooka.

Proposal 2: Extend futher to Beechboro, Sacramento Av (341, 342, 343)
Route will extend to Springs Shopping Centre from Malaga via: Marshall Rd, R Beechbooro Rd, L St Lawrance Dr, L Amazon Dr, L Sacramento Av and vice versa

Reason for extending - same with the top but it more useful for beechboro area that serve by 341, 342)
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I think the eventual proposal with the Ellenbrook Line might be to have the 449 extended to Malaga Station, and potentially the 341-343 routes as well. But as of current, I don't think it's a bad idea to run it out to Beechboro, connecting to the 341-343 there, or even Bennett Springs.
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As I've completed the south-eastern component of my master plan, I figured I might just release it today. I have said this is the final version, however that's not entirely true: This is the final version of the pre-consultation plan. The plan itself will be changed as the routes change and the community (namely, ATDB members as this is where it is being shared) responds with suggestions, creating a community-built master plan.

South-Eastern Services (Routes 161-259)
Description
South-Eastern services are Armadale Line feeder routes or routes operated as part of the Canning and Southern River contract areas. Routes serving Curtin University will also fall under this category. Routes within this number range which do not fall under this category will be renumbered.

Routes
New Route 175: Cannington to Applecross via Curtin University and Canning Bridge Stn.
Service renumbered from route 100 to keep in-line with the route numbering system and extending to Kintail Rd in Applecross until terminating facilities are built at Canning Bridge Stn.
From Cannington: Current route to Canning Bridge, then continue straight along Canning Hwy, R Canning Beach Rd, L Kintail Rd to terminate at Kintail Rd before Moreau Mews.
To Cannington: Starting at Kintail Rd before Canning Hwy, R Canning Beach Rd, L Canning Hwy, continue straight to Canning Bridge Stn to resume current route to Cannington.

New Route 176: Curtin Central to Booragoon via Canning Bridge Stn.
Service renumbered from route 101 to keep in-line with the route numbering system and extending to Booragoon Bus Station.
From Curtin: Current route to Canning Bridge, then continue straight along Canning Hwy, L Riseley St, R Booragoon Bus Stn to terminate at Booragoon Bus Stn.
To Curtin: Starting at Stand B4 of Booragoon Bus Stn, L Riseley St, R Canning Hwy, continue straight into Canning Bridge Stn to resume current route to Curtin.
Services would be timed at Curtin Central to connect with the 209.

177 & 178
Time changes, with some additional trips on route 178 to replace some route 179 trips.

179
Time changes, with some trips now departing or terminating at Riverton Leisureplex. These trips will be covered by route 178, extended high frequency route 915 and new route 920.

201
Time changes.

202
Will now operate as a bidirectional route along its current route to the west of Station St, before terminating at the new East Cannington Station.*

203
Will now operate as a bidirectional route along its current route to the east of Station St, before terminating at the new East Cannington Station.*

206
Will no longer service Murdoch University, instead terminating at Murdoch Stn. Slight reduction in frequency from Murdoch to Livingston Marketplace. These trips would be covered by new High Frequency Route 920; see High Frequency Services section below.

207
Time changes and slight reduction in frequency from Murdoch Stn to Livingston Marketplace. These trips will be covered by new High Frequency Route 920; see High Frequency Services section below.

208
Time changes, slight increase in peak frequency and will extend to Murdoch University via Barry Marshall Pde and Discovery Wy, covering for route 206.

New Route 209: Curtin Central Bus Stn to Canning Vale via Wilson and Riverton.
Service renumbered from route 75, keeping in-line with the route numbering system, curtailing the route to run from Curtin Central to Canning Vale and transferred to Canning Contract to utilise Canning Vale Depot.
From Curtin Central: R University Blvd, R Hayman Rd, R Hayman Rd Transfer Station, then current route 75 to Canning Vale.
To Curtin Central: Current route 75 to Hayman Rd, then L Hayman Rd, L University Blvd, L Curtin Central Bus Stn to terminate at Curtin Central Bus Stn.
Services would be timed to connect with the 176 at Curtin Central.

210-212
Time changes to better connect with route 930 at Thornlie Stn and the Southern Circle Line.

220
Route curtailed to operate between Perth and Kelmscott, with trips between Kelmscott and Armadale transferred to route 249.

223
Potential time changes.

New Route 227: Gosnells Stn to Kenwick Stn via Maddington
To Kenwick: Via current route 228 to Maddington Village, then R Revesby St, R Alcock St, L Dellar St, R Maddington Rd, L Eva St, R Emerald Rd, L Bickley Rd, continue straight to Kenwick Rd, L Lalor Rd, L Belmont Rd, R Lalor Rd, R Park Rd and L Kenwick Rd to terminate at Kenwick Rd before Wanaping Rd.
To Kenwick: From Kenwick Rd before Wanaping Rd, R Wanaping Rd, R Park Rd, L Kenwick Rd, R Park Rd, L Lalor Rd, L Belmont Rd, R Lalor Rd, R Kenwick Rd, continue straight to Bickley Rd, R Emerald Rd, L Eva St, R Maddington Rd, L Dellar St, R Alcock St, L Revesby St, L Westfield St to follow current route 228 to Gosnells.

228
Time changes.

229
Major reroute in Maddington – will no longer traverse Dellar and Alcock Streets, instead continuing down Maddington Rd. Passengers along Dellar and Alcock Streets can catch new route 227.

231-232 (Gosnells Loop)
Time changes.

240
Time changes.

241
Major reroute to the north of the current catchment area.
To Roleystone: Current route to Albany Hwy, then L Church St, R River Rd, L Orlando Rd, continue straight to Canning Mills Rd, R Urch Rd, L Peet Rd, R Tyers Rd, L Holden Rd, R Chevin Rd, R Brooks Rd to terminate at Roleystone Community College S/B.
From Roleystone: From Roleystone Community College N/B, L Chevin Rd, L Holden Rd, R Tyers Rd, L Peet Rd, R Urch Rd, L Canning Mills Rd, continue straight to Orlando Rd, R River Rd, L Church St, R Albany Hwy to follow current route to Kelmscott Stn.
Services would operate as a large loop with new route 242, similar to Melbourne routes 494/495.

New Route 242: Kelmscott Stn to Roleystone via Brookton Hwy
To Roleystone: Via current route 241 to Brookton Hwy, then continue straight, L Westborne Rd, R George Rd, R Raeburn Rd, L Brooks Rd to terminate at Roleystone Community College N/B.
From Roleystone: From Roleystone Community College S/B, R Raeburn Rd, L George Rd, L Westborne Rd, R Brookton Hwy to follow current route 241 to Kelmscott Stn.
Services would operate as a large loop with route 241, similar to Melbourne routes 494/495.

243-245: Kelmscott West Feeders
Time changes to co-ordinate with train service time-changes as a result of the Morley Tunnel opening.

249
Additional trips to cover some deleted route 220 trips as a result of curtailing.

250
Time changes to co-ordinate with train service time-changes as a result of the Morley Tunnel opening.

251-254: Byford feeder services
These services are to be re-coordinated and reviewed as part of the Byford Extension for METRONET. Therefore, these services have not been reviewed as part of the PERTHMET review.

*These new stations are part of the PERTHMET Forrestfield-Beckenham Link project, part of the larger Southern Circle Line project. I realise I may not have released this on the ATDB, so I will aim to release it within the next few hours on the Armchair Operators/Fantasy Networks section. I have already released it on SkyscraperCity Forum to gauge different levels of consultation on there.
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Question: What is the Route 920?
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It is a new route (only in my plan, I expect it is not in the PTA plans) to operate roughly in the inner south-east corridor, between Perth CBD and the Canning Vale area. I see that it can be confusing slowly releasing parts of a plan with changes of one route correlating to another route that hasn't been released yet, however I have chosen to release parts slowly as some parts take longer to work on than others. Also comes to personal preference, I prefer small chunks being released rather than the entire thing in one large chunk.
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How would a 900-series route from the city to Canning Vale work?

Wouldn't you be mirroring the 930 for most of the route? I don't really see the point when there are ample feeder services in that area connecting to the Mandurah and Thornlie train lines, not to mention the Cockburn-Thornlie link coming in a few years. The 75 is a pretty quiet service as it is, I don't get the idea of adding more city-bound services in the area, especially not high-frequency ones.
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My idea is only a small one but heck it would improve the 565 Stockland Baldivis deviation immensely. The current deviation (red route on picture) is heavily congested south bound on Settlers Ave, the bus drivers always struggle to find an opening to turn right onto Settlers Ave from Atwick Tce and there is a street sign on the opposite side of Settlers Ave which regularly gets hit by the bus side mirror due to the tight right turn.

My proposal (green route on picture) would be to relocate the bus stop from from Atwick Tce (yellow dot) to Settlers Ave (yellow dot) north bound which is far more less congested and is directly opposite one of the shopping center entrances and the 565 deviate left onto Settlers Ave northbound from Safety Bay Rd, follow Settlers Ave northbound all the way around until it turns left onto Nairn Drive, proceed through the round about back onto the normal 565 route.

This would make it safer for all road users in the area, more convenient and safer for passengers using the bus stop and less frustrating for the bus drivers.
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for me i would like the current 347 (Morley Bus Stn - Morley High School) to Extend to Mirrabooka Bus Station (or even merge to 415 which make the route (Morley - Stirling (Via Mirrabooka). The reason is to have connection between mirrabooka and noranda residence. Also is better to connect at mirrabooka rather than terminated at deadend.

From: Morley Bus Station:
Via current route until Widge Rd, Helenic Dr, R Cherwood Av, L Dechainneux Pkw, L Kokoda Bvd, L Northwood Dr, R Chesterfield Rd, L Sudbury Rd, R Mirrabooka Bus Station.
to Morley Bus Station:
L Sudbury Dr, R Chesterfield Rd, L Northwood Dr, R Kokoda Bvd, R Dechainneux Pkw, R Cherwood Av, L Helenic Dr, Widge Rd, Continued via Current Route.

like this route: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-31.871 ... !3e0?hl=en.

Also because of these the 371 trips from Morley SHS to Mirrabooka will replace by 347

also new school service that run from Busport to Morley SHS (Morning & Afternoon) (Via Alexander Dr) to accomodate student from City to Morley SHS. because currently they need to walk to alexander dr then catch 360-362 or catch school bus to morley then 60/950.
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pasha241 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:26 am
for me i would like the current 347 (Morley Bus Stn - Morley High School) to Extend to Mirrabooka Bus Station (or even merge to 415 which make the route (Morley - Stirling (Via Mirrabooka). The reason is to have connection between mirrabooka and noranda residence. Also is better to connect at mirrabooka rather than terminated at deadend.

From: Morley Bus Station:
Via current route until Widge Rd, Helenic Dr, R Cherwood Av, L Dechainneux Pkw, L Kokoda Bvd, L Northwood Dr, R Chesterfield Rd, L Sudbury Rd, R Mirrabooka Bus Station.
to Morley Bus Station:
L Sudbury Dr, R Chesterfield Rd, L Northwood Dr, R Kokoda Bvd, R Dechainneux Pkw, R Cherwood Av, L Helenic Dr, Widge Rd, Continued via Current Route.

like this route: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-31.871 ... !3e0?hl=en.

Also because of these the 371 trips from Morley SHS to Mirrabooka will replace by 347

also new school service that run from Busport to Morley SHS (Morning & Afternoon) (Via Alexander Dr) to accomodate student from City to Morley SHS. because currently they need to walk to alexander dr then catch 360-362 or catch school bus to morley then 60/950.
If 347 merges with 415 which operator should take control? Path Transit Malaga or Swan Transit Karrinyup?

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A handful of changes I was thinking of for the Rockingham area, mostly focusing on cutting services that (in my experience, anyway) don't get a ton of use -

548
  • Withdrawal of every second trip on weekdays during the day, (ex-Rockingham 0916, 1016, 1116, 1216, 1316 trips, ex-Fremantle 0915, 1050, 1150, 1250, 1350 trips), effectively giving the 548 hourly service during the day instead of half-hourly. Peak-hour/schooltime services remaining unchanged.
  • Withdrawal of all Saturday service from Rockingham, replacing all Fremantle Saturday service with short runs to Coogee, remaining on hourly frequency.
550
  • Minor route change near Rockingham Station, instead of turning off Ennis, left onto Council Ave, right onto Hawkins St, left onto Simpson Ave, instead continue on Ennis until Simpson St, then turn left and continue with current route.
  • Addition of a stop on Central Promenade between Contest Pde and Syren St
555
  • Addition of a single F trip on weeknights, departing Rockingham Stn between 2145 and 2200. No other changes.
559
  • To keep things simple, renumber to 558, using the shortened 'Secret Harbor - Terminates Comet Bay' desto that some 558 trips already use. No other changes.
561
  • Shorten the route to start/finish at Warnbro Station instead of Rockingham. No other changes.
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Change around Northern Suburbs. mainly just route changes

390
  • Extend the route to Clarkson Station to give connection between tapping, banskia grove to Clarkson and new bus around neerabup industrial area.
  • The route will travel from Joondalup via: Normal route until Joseph bank round about, R Tumbleweed Dr, L Vrindian Dr (Current 390 route), L Joondalup Dr, R Elderina Link, L Grandis Bvd, R Pinjar Rd, L Flyn Drive, Neerabup Rd, R Conolly Dr, R Ocean Keys Bvd, then clarkson Stn anv vice versa
  • Additional stop will run along this route and also some bus stop along Flyn Drive. (NOTE THIS IS JUST TEMPORARY ROUTE MAYBE IF SOME ESTATE BUILDING AROUND BANKSIA GROVE NORTH THE ROUTE WILL CHANGE)
473
  • These service will withdrawn and replace by 474 which run until Clarkson Station.

474
  • Additional service that replace 473.
  • These route will Operate: M-F off peak; 1 hour, M-F Peak: 20 min, Weekend; 1 hours. (bear in mind some of Peak service will terminate at Kinross from Joondalup, Terminates at Burns beach rd, currambine from Clarkson and vice versa.
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