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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby Merc1107 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:26 pm

tonyp wrote:This is the Perth model. I hope they plan and implement it properly and pull it off as successfully as Perth. Sydney and Canberra are also heading down this path.
It's also worth noting that while a lot of Perth's travel is based on interchange, there are a handful of instances where this isn't the case given forcing interchange so close to the city can often result in longer journey times. So I echo your sentiments here in hoping they plan and implement it properly, recognising where a one-seat journey has its merit.
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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby Eagle Eye » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:51 am

The only problems with some of these connections mentioned above is lack of infrastructure. It's not just a case of simply adjusting bus services.

Stop 14 at Mitcham has no indent on the eastern side and articulated buses could block access to the car park entrance on the western side. Plus where would buses turn around from an outbound trip to an inbound trip?

At Glenelg, you cannot have buses starting and finishing at stop 16 on Jetty Rd as this would have to be a timepoint and you can't have a bus blocking the whole road waiting for the clock to tick over. It isn't that far from the tram stop to the bus stops at Moseley Square/Glenelg Interchange, but a lot more directional signage is needed to promote tram & bus services to each other.

With Blackwood & surrounding areas served by buses, unfortunately it is far quicker to travel by car to the city than an indirect, slow train service, plus a connecting bus. If you travel to anywhere south of about Currie St/Grenfell St or towards Pulteney St it is also quicker to travel by car than by bus, train, and a city connector bus or similar.

Train services need to be made faster. Seaford trains should not have to crawl out of stations because of the signalling system. Once the doors close, it should be full power and the top speeds in places are a little lower than desirable. Having so many stations close together certainly doesn't help either. Unfortunately in SA it is too political to close stations to benefit the majority when the minorities always whinge so loudly.

Tram services must have priority through the city, and not be held up so much between Glenelg and the city. You only need to look at Melbourne or the Gold Coast to see how tram priority should work.

Bus infrastructure is severely lacking in places. Bus interchanges that are welcoming and inviting, bus driver toilet facilities & bus lanes or 'B' lights are severely lacking which impacts reliability and travel times, and puts people off from using public transport.
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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby jibb » Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 pm

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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby Eurostar » Sun May 12, 2019 8:23 pm

Remove the 222 services. Change the 224 to run to and from the city via Port Wakefield Road. Change the 228F to 228. Extend 225M to Gepps Cross via Mawson Lakes Boulevard, extend 229 (feeder) to Gepps Cross (25). Maintain the 224X and 228X but change 225F/X, 229F/X to 225 and 229 to maintain the Main North Road Go Zone.
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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby TA3001 » Wed May 15, 2019 12:55 am

Deducting 10 minutes from the schedules of inbound 178s, and 5 minutes from that of inbound 174s in arvo peak may help a little.

There is far too much dwelling with Payneham Rd services in afternoon peak, particularly inbound. It's the same schedule as outbound, but with a third of the patronage, and less potential delays.
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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby Route 506 » Mon May 27, 2019 2:59 pm

Eurostar wrote:Remove the 222 services. Change the 224 to run to and from the city via Port Wakefield Road. Change the 228F to 228. Extend 225M to Gepps Cross via Mawson Lakes Boulevard, extend 229 (feeder) to Gepps Cross (25). Maintain the 224X and 228X but change 225F/X, 229F/X to 225 and 229 to maintain the Main North Road Go Zone.


Another suggestion re Main North Road is the following:

Terminate Route 225 and 228 services at Mawson Lakes, with a few 225F/225X/228F/228X to run in peak hour only, very similar to the new look 224 services. The 228 would be re routed travelling from Mawson Interchange via Mawson Central, then Mawson Lakes Bvd then left onto Main North Road and as it is now.

Route 222 will continue to serve Main North Road, with Route 229 to start from the City and travel the same up to Goodall Road, Para Hills and instead of terminating on Kimba Road continue on Goodall Road, turning right onto Bridge Road, then left onto McIntyre Road, continuing straight via McIntyre and Kings Road terminating at Parafield Railway Station. I realise there is no indent there and am not sure whether there would be room for buses to stop next to car park area - That would be the only concern.

Route 226 would be introduced travelling via the current Route 225 to Mawson Interchange before coming out via Elder Smith Drive, Salisbury Highway to Ryans Road (or could follow Route 411 to Ryans Road - possibly could reduce 411 to 30 mins weekly with 226 also operating?) then via Ryans Road turning right onto Martins Road and continue all the way through to Kings Road turning right and continuing up to Parafield Railways Station.

Route 226 and 229 would be something like the 171/190 set up at Mitcham where a 226 would then become a 229 and vice versa, and this way the 229 would possibly (hopefully) get more people on board with it connecting to the train!

Main North Road would also get services up to Gepps Cross at a 20 minute zone with 222,226, & 229 services, unless the 228 starts at Gepps Cross instead of Mawson Lakes on weekends and nights to maintain a 20 min Frequency to Pooraka Stop 29, but if wanting to save fuel and kms leave it to start at Mawson.

Peak hour would see 221 to Gepps Cross (re introduced) and 222 to Mawson serving Main North Road with all other routes as F or X services - F First Set Down/Last Pick Up Stop 26 again and X - Express to Stop 29 as it is now.


On a side note a service from Elizabeth or Salisbury to St Kilda may be more popular than we think. Especially if the 900 Route is used from Elizabeth and branches to St Kilda, as Virginia area is growing all the time and has basically no bus service
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Re: How bus revamp will get commuters moving faster.

Postby TA3001 » Mon May 27, 2019 4:24 pm

Speaking of 900s, I don't know why the DPTI has not added another 9 minutes from Salisbury to stop 73 Old Port Wakefield Rd at Virginia.

You could honestly get there from Ann St Salisbury on a pushbike in the time given, and still be early, or even in 1601 with it's fuel injection issues when it accelerated at a rate of about a kph per 1-2 seconds in early 2017.
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