I have got told the shops ask them to do that and that is why the 333 does not go to WL anymore.nscaler69 wrote:I would like to why the AdMetro doesn't like having the 150 and 333 to have any kind of connection on a weekend at Port Adelaide.
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I'd like to know who makes these signs. So the 235 & 238 will depart from that stop but not the 239? The 118 will depart from there but not the 115 & 117? Do these signs get proof-read before being sent to print? Pretty embarrassing.softgrow wrote:There are corflutes outlining changes attached to the new digital stops. Example below taken yesterday at the (soon to be former) Taxi Rank on South side of Grenfell Street near James Place.
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Apart from changes to running times on all O-Bahn routes and extra running times on the M44 and G40 heading south,it would appear most of the other changes are fairly minor.
It appears that DPTI/The Minister are not interested in new or revised routes or looking at reviewing existing services.In other words no extra KMs .After several years of tinkering around the edges,it is hard to believe that there are not some poorly used services that need reviewing,either by cutting frequency or in a few cases deleting them altogether.
Conversely there are services where there is a need to improve frequency/add additional services.
Some service frequencies on the weekend are in need of improvement-they don't encourage people to use our Public Transport services.
It appears that DPTI/The Minister are not interested in new or revised routes or looking at reviewing existing services.In other words no extra KMs .After several years of tinkering around the edges,it is hard to believe that there are not some poorly used services that need reviewing,either by cutting frequency or in a few cases deleting them altogether.
Conversely there are services where there is a need to improve frequency/add additional services.
Some service frequencies on the weekend are in need of improvement-they don't encourage people to use our Public Transport services.
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With the O-Bahn changes, I think that DPTI has also missed the opportunity to reinstate structured connecting services. In the old STA/TransAdelaide days you had timetabled connecting services at Paradise and TTP so that a thru service from the City to Golden Grove on the J1 or Fairview Park on the 541 had dedicated connections to the feeder services (e.g. 550, 551, 578, 579, 505, 506 at Paradise and 540, 543, 544, 545. 550, 551 at TTP),showing my age now. These connections were also shown on the route display and feeder service waited if a connecting service was running late.
These days, the C1, M44 and 502 seem to be the key thru routes, so besides correcting the alpha-numeric hang up of our route numbers, there should be timetabled connections at off-peak times at Klemzig (to the 528) Paradise (to the 503,506,507, 556, 557, 559, 579), TTP (to the 503, 506,507, 541, 542, 543, 545, 548, 556, 557) and Golden Grove (to the 548, 591).
These days, the C1, M44 and 502 seem to be the key thru routes, so besides correcting the alpha-numeric hang up of our route numbers, there should be timetabled connections at off-peak times at Klemzig (to the 528) Paradise (to the 503,506,507, 556, 557, 559, 579), TTP (to the 503, 506,507, 541, 542, 543, 545, 548, 556, 557) and Golden Grove (to the 548, 591).
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I am surprised they haven't done anything about the H30, it can take H30s many minutes to turn right out of Graves Street onto Newton Road (to Paradise) and Stradbroke Road (to City).
My suggestion is to use Gorge Road instead of Graves Street.
Another one is the 144 attempting to turn right from Grant Avenue onto Portrush Road. I was thinking that could be solved by having 144G renumbered 144.
1) A new 148 which goes via Greenhill Road then via Portrush Road to Glen Osmond or ,
2) A new 143 via Kensington Road then Portrush Road
My suggestion is to use Gorge Road instead of Graves Street.
Another one is the 144 attempting to turn right from Grant Avenue onto Portrush Road. I was thinking that could be solved by having 144G renumbered 144.
1) A new 148 which goes via Greenhill Road then via Portrush Road to Glen Osmond or ,
2) A new 143 via Kensington Road then Portrush Road
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I notice they have returned weekend day 543 services to their original (weekday) terminus at Illyarrie Avenue, but have kept the services numbered as 543G which seems a bit strange. I thought 543G was only to Redwood Park terminus
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A new wayfinding coloured map for the Adelaide CBD is now available on the Adelaide Metro website.As well as highlighting key places of interest it also shows bus stop codes and locations including new Currie and Grenfell Streets stops.
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Another alternative to this would be rerouting the 147 via Grant Avenue, or rerouting the 142 via this road. The solution may be to have the 140 running all day, with a new 143 replacing the 144 going via Grant Ave, and finishing at the end of Kensington Rd. Runs such as the 501 could terminate/start from Paradise interchange to enable the kilometres needed for this, rather than running into Adelaide at a 15 minute frequency with two passengers aboard.Eurostar wrote:I am surprised they haven't done anything about the H30, it can take H30s many minutes to turn right out of Graves Street onto Newton Road (to Paradise) and Stradbroke Road (to City).
My suggestion is to use Gorge Road instead of Graves Street.
Another one is the 144 attempting to turn right from Grant Avenue onto Portrush Road. I was thinking that could be solved by having 144G renumbered 144.
1) A new 148 which goes via Greenhill Road then via Portrush Road to Glen Osmond or ,
2) A new 143 via Kensington Road then Portrush Road
Also, non peak 722Fs could become feeders as well, but then who I am talking to?
There's also the option of installing traffic lights at the Grant Avenue intersection. There are traffic lights just to the north of here, which could be moved less than 100 metres south without it costing 100 million.
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This would make a mess of Kensington Rd, but hey, it’s the genesis of an idea.
142 travels via Grant Ave then Kensington Rd and normal route.
144 travels Kensington Rd, Portrush Rd then normal route.
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142 travels via Grant Ave then Kensington Rd and normal route.
144 travels Kensington Rd, Portrush Rd then normal route.
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Regarding the 721F and 722F - I would make them express to and from FMC.
Eliminated the “fast” bus stopping every second stop to pick up or set down
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Haven't seen any corflute signs at bus stops re timetable changes. Usually they are up a couple of weeks before they start.
Wondered if anyone had seen them yet?
Also wondering when info centre will have the new timetables available?
Wondered if anyone had seen them yet?
Also wondering when info centre will have the new timetables available?
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inbound 174 OR 176's in the morning from Payneham to the City are the worse.I bet you I can leave home walk to Klemzig Station a lot earlier than of those local services that serves my part of town(Payneham)get a 500 OR 502 TO THE CITY and get in with ample of time to make my onward Panorama connection on either a G10 OR 200.seeing a coworker miss her usual connection this morning was just terrible.
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There's no scheduled connection between O'bahn services and Clapham runs. If you really need to make a connection, ideally you would give yourself as much time as possible. If an O'bahn run is arriving at T3 Grenfell St at 7:49AM, and there's a 200B from D1 KW St at 7:51AM, I wouldn't put my money on getting there in time. If it was at 7:59AM, it would still be considered a tight window to me. I tend to calculate transfers or walks to nearby stops with ridiculous amounts of time to be sure that I make it. But I am well aware that time constraints and other things can make things way more difficult than they sound.homer9000 wrote:inbound 174 OR 176's in the morning from Payneham to the City are the worse.I bet you I can leave home walk to Klemzig Station a lot earlier than of those local services that serves my part of town(Payneham)get a 500 OR 502 TO THE CITY and get in with ample of time to make my onward Panorama connection on either a G10 OR 200.seeing a coworker miss her usual connection this morning was just terrible.
Even if I'm in Hindley St, I still give myself about 8 minutes to get to North Tce to make a train substitute service if I need to catch it even when there's almost nobody around to get in my way, or 12 minutes to get to the platform in Adelaide station if I'm catching a train. It only takes me 2-3 minutes max to get to North Tce, but I've learned to do this by (unintentionally) missing buses.
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So many factors make a bus late. Road conditions. Passengers not having their money or metro cards ready when boarding. I could go on.
I am assuming that you work at Bedford’s. I feel for you and your workmates. These changes, if ever so minor, can cause raised anxieties. Even re-routing the G40 in the city could raise anxiety.
Though, at any time of the day, I would not rely on a gap of 2-5 minutes between services, unless they are timetabled to connect.
For example, I caught a 300 from Arndale on Monday. The driver arrived a minute late to start the service. A call of nature caused him to be another 5 minutes late.
If I had a tight “connection” somewhere, I may have missed my other bus.
Always best to be early to be safe.
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I am assuming that you work at Bedford’s. I feel for you and your workmates. These changes, if ever so minor, can cause raised anxieties. Even re-routing the G40 in the city could raise anxiety.
Though, at any time of the day, I would not rely on a gap of 2-5 minutes between services, unless they are timetabled to connect.
For example, I caught a 300 from Arndale on Monday. The driver arrived a minute late to start the service. A call of nature caused him to be another 5 minutes late.
If I had a tight “connection” somewhere, I may have missed my other bus.
Always best to be early to be safe.
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Light City Buses don't allow drivers much leeway between trips, so if a bus arrives at a terminal point late,there is no time for a break ,they have to leave on their next trip straight away. Another noticeable problem is their lack of leaving their depot on time.
Morphettville is particularly bad at this especially in the morning when buses can be up to 7 minutes late starting their journey,which makes it pretty hard to make up time.
Morphettville is particularly bad at this especially in the morning when buses can be up to 7 minutes late starting their journey,which makes it pretty hard to make up time.
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Except if you are waiting for a 503 to start its run from Paradise to TTP and see the incoming bus arrive on the city bound side, sit there for more than 10mins Not In Service but it still manages to leave Paradise late.jibb wrote:Light City Buses don't allow drivers much leeway between trips, so if a bus arrives at a terminal point late,there is no time for a break ,they have to leave on their next trip straight away.
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I've seen this with 502s leaving Paradise. The drivers sometimes sit there for 4+ minutes causing passengers to wait in the dark. There needs to be more timetabled connections with services that don't run to or from the city. It's disgraceful not having them in my opinion.soak01 wrote:
Except if you are waiting for a 503 to start its run from Paradise to TTP and see the incoming bus arrive on the city bound side, sit there for more than 10mins Not In Service but it still manages to leave Paradise late.
One driver left Paradise right as the connecting C2 arrived, and I had to stand in the dark for 30 minutes. Appalling standards of services from both LCB and the DPTI.
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All the new timetables are available at the City Info Centre in Currie Street.New timetables are clearly marked on the racks.
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It appears they are reducing the amount of city bus stops in Grenfell St.
For example the 117 has 2 stops on Grenfell St between Pulteney St and KW st (T1 & U1), but from Sunday there will only be 1 stop (T2).
For example the 117 has 2 stops on Grenfell St between Pulteney St and KW st (T1 & U1), but from Sunday there will only be 1 stop (T2).
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O-Bahn services lose 1 stop each way in Currie Street. Main O-Bahn stops are now much longer. Still 4 stops in Grenfell Street but spread out between James Place and Car Park entrance.torrens117 wrote:It appears they are reducing the amount of city bus stops in Grenfell St.
For example the 117 has 2 stops on Grenfell St between Pulteney St and KW st (T1 & U1), but from Sunday there will only be 1 stop (T2).
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Could it be that they trailed these stopping patterns in Currie/Grenfell Sts when they redirected the 144-147-150-157. I thought the limited stops worked well and kept services moving.
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It might help ease congestion if the DPTI didn't allocate 7 minutes for afternoon B12s to get from R1 to T1 Grenfell St. Often they're sitting at T1 for up to 5 minutes for some reason. This is possibly due to them not wanting to sit on 30kph between the city and stop 17 Grange Rd. Early running is very common on this service due to it having at least 10 minutes in excess time (in average conditions).
There should be minimal time through the city to reduce laying over, otherwise we'll continue to see articles in the paper of some drivers (possibly from Newton) clogging up space, and blocking access to several queued buses which can't all interact via radio due to being part of different companies.
There should be minimal time through the city to reduce laying over, otherwise we'll continue to see articles in the paper of some drivers (possibly from Newton) clogging up space, and blocking access to several queued buses which can't all interact via radio due to being part of different companies.
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Bring on the pushing and shoving once all door boarding starts
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There is a new map(under Grenfell and Currie Street changes) showing location of all Bus Stops in Currie and Grenfell Streets showing list of routes from each stop.
I feel there will be confusion in Monday's pm peak when people go looking for there stop/s which have been moved and some cases have less stops in these 2 streets.
Apart from Adelaide Metro websites/text messages and some social media,the amount of publicity on these changes leaves a lot to be desired(no radio/press ads?).Not all the public keep an eye on the Adelaide Metro website to watch out for changes.
Even some bus drivers may be confused!
I feel there will be confusion in Monday's pm peak when people go looking for there stop/s which have been moved and some cases have less stops in these 2 streets.
Apart from Adelaide Metro websites/text messages and some social media,the amount of publicity on these changes leaves a lot to be desired(no radio/press ads?).Not all the public keep an eye on the Adelaide Metro website to watch out for changes.
Even some bus drivers may be confused!
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I'd expect the Newton radio channel to be quite busy if that is the case.
There's already enough seat thieves on the train subs with all door boarding due to it being free.soak01 wrote:Bring on the pushing and shoving once all door boarding starts