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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Maladjusted » Mon May 30, 2011 1:40 am

Looks like a great new design for Australia!

Congratulations to Bustech and Translink, wow, you kept it quiet!!! Great spotting Bunza, too

Bit hard to tell from the photo, are the front wheels smaller dia than the drive?
This would help with less intrusion inside and allow more weight be put on the front axle combination.
The older Volgren Q Twin decks needed a tonne in the rear to help keep the weight off the steer.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Gday » Mon May 30, 2011 6:03 am

[quote="MaladjustedThe older Volgren Q Twin decks needed a tonne in the rear to help keep the weight off the steer.[/quote]

Do you mean, they loaded the arse end up with ahem.... Ballast, so to speak?
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Andrew » Mon May 30, 2011 9:02 am

Congratulations and credit to the Australian family-owned Bustech for sure - great concept and I hope it pays dividends in sales over the next few years. I understand there is two of these made? One on trial for Translink and one as a Bustech demonstrator (ie. it will come down to Sydney in October for the bus show?).

To the people whining about the twin steer arrangement not looking "as good" as a tag - get a grip! Bustech have obviously done the sums and in a bid to save weight while complying with axle load limits, have developed the twin steer as the best option. It looks fine to me.... It is an unusual combination sure, not really seen since the VAL Bedford and UD trucks of the 80s. It looks like the engine/trans and a/c are all at the rear. Complying with national axle limits would have been central to its design parameters. I am not aware that the bus requires any special dispensation from state registration bodies at this stage for being over the limit on any axle.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby chuboy » Mon May 30, 2011 9:29 am

I'm sure the punters will see it, think the bus was built backwards by mistake and put it down to the state government and Translink being incompetent :lol: :roll:
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Simes » Tue May 31, 2011 11:31 pm

Andrew wrote:To the people whining about the twin steer arrangement not looking "as good" as a tag - get a grip! Bustech have obviously done the sums and in a bid to save weight while complying with axle load limits, have developed the twin steer as the best option. It looks fine to me.... It is an unusual combination sure, not really seen since the VAL Bedford and UD trucks of the 80s. It looks like the engine/trans and a/c are all at the rear. Complying with national axle limits would have been central to its design parameters. I am not aware that the bus requires any special dispensation from state registration bodies at this stage for being over the limit on any axle.

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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby boronia » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:51 am

The front end treatment with the curved structural struts gives it a vey Asian/Chinese appearance. 8)

How would it look in TNSW livery. :?: :lol:
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby tammorice » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:15 am

It's a Bustech chassis. Seats 96.
Only an old busy would think to revamp the twin steer to overcome our outdated weight limits!
And they have done it without the need for any permits.

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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby thommo » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:34 pm

the translink one will be use on TX2 services on the gold coast.
IF you think the outside likes good, wait to you see the inside.Many new features that look great :D
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Mitch » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:37 pm

That is an amazing looking bus! I agree with what others are saying though, it would look better with a tag-axle instead of twin steering.

I wonder what it'd look like if they'd kept the XDi/VST headlights though... :o

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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby 08 XDi » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:14 pm

thommo wrote:the translink one will be use on TX2 services on the gold coast.
IF you think the outside likes good, wait to you see the inside.Many new features that look great :D


Near perfect use for it - although I would prefer to see how it goes on regular track work up and down the highway.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby OLYMPIAN » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:00 am

Is there any Media report of the bus online ?
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby swtt » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:57 pm

Queensland knows what's the right type of bus. Time for NSW to wake up!!!
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Simes » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:19 am

swtt wrote:Queensland knows what's the right type of bus. Time for NSW to wake up!!!

Horses for courses - this would suit the M2 runs down to the ground and other routes where you get a heap of passengers, then drive for a length of time and start disgorging em - not a route where you have a high turn over through out the route
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby 1115 » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:16 am

SM247 wrote:
Nerdbus wrote:Could they have found an uglier shade of green if they tried?


Yes. It is currently on around 200-300 buses floating around here... :mrgreen:


Are you talking about the green in the Translink logo?

Thumbs up overall and similarly cannot wait to see inside. I have to wonder on cost vs modification to other chassis, and if our vehicle loading limits are an issue then why are we so out of step with say UK or HK?

For use on Sydney roads, it would have to be a compelling argument presumably on cost. But at 96 seats versus 52 in the Volvo Artics (what a joke), it surely wouldn't be a hard-one to win.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Simes » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:04 pm

1115 wrote:Thumbs up overall and similarly cannot wait to see inside. I have to wonder on cost vs modification to other chassis, and if our vehicle loading limits are an issue then why are we so out of step with say UK or HK?

Bustech have started to build their own chassis - they have done this with the XDi and MDi for a few years now, so modifying other chassis isn't really an issue here (I'd think you'll find the other recently produced decker also has a in house chassis)
Our loading limits are all to do with geology (when will people get that thru their skulls?)
1115 wrote:For use on Sydney roads, it would have to be a compelling argument presumably on cost.

I can see these going up the M2
1115 wrote:But at 96 seats versus 52 in the Volvo Artics (what a joke), it surely wouldn't be a hard-one to win.

The new artics are designed for routes where people travel short distances, hence why Waverley and Leichhardt have them and the elder euro 3 B12BLEA with 64 seats have gone north/stayed at Ryde
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby The Inspector » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:07 pm

I wonder if we will ever see a Bustech 14.5m, the LDi :P
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby On Air » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:07 pm

Don't forget everyone-Deckers won't work in Sydney.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby User7526 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:33 pm

It's not a Denning but it's still very nice indeed.

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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby User7526 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:38 pm

And what's wrong with it being a twin steer? The Bedford VALs were a nice looking vehicle and they had their share of supporters too. Something different is always good!
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Set Down Only » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:41 pm

And doesn't everyone think these things have a reason?
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Bustech Boy » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:24 am

Mmmm Yes!
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Bedford-29 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:55 am

Well I can`t see what is wrong with Goliath and its twin steer layout.But this is for example if AC Transit in San Pablo in Brazil can use a twin steer single deck with single drive axle at the back.And would be the same length as Goliath I can`t see were a D/D twin steer version can go wrong.I am unsure were this picture came from but credit to the owner.
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby ABM@Starliner » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:42 pm

Is this bus being officially referred to as Goliath now?
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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Fleet Lists » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:55 pm

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Re: SCOOP! Bustech double decker

Postby Hornibrook » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:36 pm

Heard on the grape vine the following.

- The twin steer axles are the front are for weight reasons, mainly because it has a bigger seating capacity than the Denning Decker - eg. more bums on seats = more weight.
- Chassis and body is integral and named the "CDi" as posted above somewhere.
- Has a Cummins ISL e5 Engine with a ZF gearbox.
- The engine, gearbox and diff centre are off to the near side, to enable low floor entry to the back seat.
- Wheelchair entry through both the front and back doors.
- Has a total seated capacity of 96, with 63 on top, leaving 33 down stairs.
- This decker was built for Surfside & Translink and to be operated on their services, hence the livery. There's a second one in build that'll be at the Busvic Conference very soon!

For a comparison with the Denning Decker. It also has a Cummins ISL engine - not sure of the detailed specs, but the first one has a total seating capacity of 70 (15 down, 55 up) - these are coach seats compared to the urban seating arrangement in the Bustech decker.

The next few deckers Denning are building will be 80-pax school buses (iirc) - replacing the Volgren DD's @ Thompson's

Really gotta take your hat off to both companies, who are building great, quality vehicles and I and many others hope they take off with many operators.
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