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PTV wrote: Public Transport Victoria (PTV) will be introducing a new direct bus service between Greensborough and Hurstbridge stations.

Key features of Route 343:
increased coverage into the residential areas of Diamond Creek, Wattle Glen and Greensborough
improved connections to train services at Greensborough Station
better frequency with services every 20-30 minutes during the peak and every 40-60 minutes during inter-peak
improved access to local schools and destinations.

Route 343 is part of the Hurstbridge Line Upgrade project, which aims to improve the reliability and efficiency of the Hurstbridge line.

Have your say on the proposed new bus route for Hurstbridge - Greensborough
Please take a moment to think about your travel needs and priorities for bus services in the Hurstbridge - Greensborough area.

Two route options have been proposed and are being put forward to the community for consideration.

> Option 1: A new route direct from Hurstbridge to Greensborough via Diamond Creek Road.
Option 1 will run via Wattle Glen Station, Diamond Creek Station and Diamond Valley College running every 20-30 minutes during the peak and every 40-60 minutes during the inter-peak.

> Option 2: A new route from Hurstbridge to Greensborough via Ryans Road and Diamond Creek Road.
Option 2 will run via Wattle Glen Station, Diamond Creek Station, Diamond Valley College and St Helena Secondary School.The service will run every 20-30 minutes during the peak and every 50-60 minutes during the inter-peak.

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Survey form link - https://getinvolved.ptv.vic.gov.au/gree ... urstbridge

Personally I like option A - the route needs to be a fast alternative to the train for Diamond Creek and Hurstbridge residents if its going to act as a supplement. The offpeak and weekend timetable should be every 40 mins allowing the bus to meet the Eltham train at Greensborough, rather than a messy 50 min headway OR duplicating the train every other hour on a 60 min headway. Not clear if it even runs on weekends though.

Option B also seems to have too much duplication with existing options. The 580 already provides a link between parts of St Helena & Diamond Creek that seems to be one of the main arguments for option B, although if they are forward thinking, they might also be thinking ahead to 2018 when St Helena residents might benefit from a link the reopened Greensborough TAFE in Apollo Parkways and associated Banyule Tech.

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This route seems like a waste of resources. It just duplicates a lot of routes, or serves bushland with no potential walk up catchment. The direct section on Diamond Creek Rd only served by 'Option 1' is basically all bushland with very little walk up catchment. The only benefit it would seem is providing an alternative link between Diamond Creek and Greensborough.

From Diamond Creek to Hurstbridge, while there probably still won't be much patronage, there is quite a lot of houses that don't currently have any public transport service, apart from a long walk to the nearest train station.

I think it would be beneficial if the route was extended beyond Hurstbridge Station down Heidelberg-Kinglake Rd, right at the roundabout onto Cherry Tree Rd, left onto Coolaroo Ave, left onto Bambara Rd and left onto Heidelberg-Kinglake Rd back to Hurstbridge Station, creating a one-way loop at the end of the line. This would connect a number of shops, the school, the community hall, the district medical centre and a large number of houses, which are all out of reach of the train station. Thoughts?
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I think Option 1 along with the abolishment of the Eltham - Hurstbridge train. Seems like a waste of resources, it's not a growth corridor, single track causes delays along the whole line, no point spending money on duplication.
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Thanks for the info ,as allways Craig.
It's an interesting idea,clearly designed as a supplement to the Diamond Creek-Hurstbridge section on that service.
I am not sure there is a lot of potential patronage,given the population and passenger generators along much of the route are pretty thin,and the area as Alstom888M notes is not a growth corridor.Also it duplicates parts of 518,580,901.
.I think the best method of operation would be option one,as you suggest ,Craig, as that produces the fastest option,but also serves the Civic area in North Greensborough.Clearly offsetting the train timetable with the 343 timetable can hopefully produce a 20 minute service.Whether that frequency of service stimulates demand for both train and 343 remains to be seen.But lets be positive!!
The other question.Who gets to operate it ?? Dysons or Panorama.Given it operates through both their operating areas,plus indeed Transdev,this could be an interesting result.Given 40 minute off peak and 20-30 minute frequencies it will clearly need 2 buses off peak and 3 in the peak.
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I think Option 1 along with the abolishment of the Eltham - Hurstbridge train. Seems like a waste of resources, it's not a growth corridor, single track causes delays along the whole line, no point spending money on duplication.
To be honest, I've often wondered whether it might not be better to run a 20 minute bus service all day between Greensborough and Hurstbridge compared to the existing 40 minute train. I suspect the time would be competitive. As noted above, the single track is a problem, but if the Greensborough-Eltham section is duplicated, as is being investigated by the same project, and trains run as far as Diamond Creek, then overall it would be an improvement compared to now.
Whether this alternative would be financially worse, better, or the same would be the ultimate decider, but it can't be cheap running a 6 carriage train for the 9 minutes each way between Diamond Creek and Hurstbridge. In the past, one argument in favour of reataining the current setup is the sidings at Hurstbridge, but surely with the train service truncated, there would be 1-2 trains fewer needed, and with extra capacity being built elsewhere (eg, Mernda), it would surely be a better use of trains to run more there and stable them there?

Certainly if it makes most people worse off, then I would agree it is a non-starter, but if overall journey times can be improved from increased frequency, it would be worth considering?
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Thats a great idea krustyklo.I suspect that the ultimate arbiter in it would be the politics in the local area,rather than the financial side.
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I'd agree closing Diamond Creek to Hurstbridge could have merit, but not Eltham to Hurstbridge. Diamond Creek still gets an okay amount of patronage, especially students. PTV data shows it receives more weekly boardings than Williamstown, Darebin, Seaholme, Jacana amongst others.

A benefit of keeping the line open as far as Hurstbridge would be the park and ride opportunity it provides to nearby towns, such as Kangaroo Ground, Panton Hill and St Andrews, although I guess you've got to weigh that with the high cost of running 6-car trains as has been said.
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If I sit in the armchair expert chair for a minute:
- If a metro rail line is not worth being duplicated, it doesn't deserve to exist.
- I am ignoring any and all political implications.


Cost of running a bus:
- Drivers wages: $25-30/hr (plus penalties, super, leave, etc) How many drivers would be required?
- The bus itself: approx. $400k per bus, expected to last 20-25 years. How many buses would be required?
- Bus stop Installation: Being a government thing, would be inflated to a few million, but a one-off cost.
- Depot space: Probably negligible. If the local operator does not have space for the extra buses, give it to another operator who has room.
- Fuel cost: The price of diesel. I'm under the impression that modern buses are very efficient for their size.
- Maintenance: Standard diesel mechanical pay rate similar to bus drivers. Parts would be worldwide stock from the chassis manufacturer and thus cheap.

Cost of running a train:
- Drivers wages: $45-60/hr (plus penalties, super, leave, etc) How many drivers would be required?
- The train itself: approx. $5-10 million per set. How many trains would be freed up by scrapping this section of line?
- Train station maintenance, staff, PSOs, etc. must be several million every year.
- Depot space: Last I checked a major hurdle to ordering a massive increase in space was a lack of stabling. I can't imagine it would be cheap to put even one extra siding in.
- Fuel cost: With Hazelwood gone, and I suspect the Comengs are power guzzlers, electricity can't be cheap for Metro.
Maintenance: Specialised Electrical Engineer likely on a huge salary. Parts would need to be custom made and very expensive, especially for older DC rollingstock.
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For those wondering about the political landscape, the two state seats that the proposed route traverses - Eltham and Yan Yean - are marginal ALP seats (2.69% and 3.65% respectively). With such margins in place it would be highly unlikely that trains past Eltham or Diamond Creek would be withdrawn in the short-to-medium term, although if travel times were competitive enough to draw passengers away then the case could be made with minimal political impact.
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Alex on the Bus wrote:For those wondering about the political landscape, the two state seats that the proposed route traverses - Eltham and Yan Yean - are marginal ALP seats (2.69% and 3.65% respectively). With such margins in place it would be highly unlikely that trains past Eltham or Diamond Creek would be withdrawn in the short-to-medium term, although if travel times were competitive enough to draw passengers away then the case could be made with minimal political impact.
Whats your considered opinion about the route Alex ??
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If the choice was between these two options only I would go for Option A. Personally, though, I would make the following changes:
* Given that the projected frequency for the route is a match for that of route 385 (Greensborough - Mernda North) I would run the two services in common as far as Yan Yean Road, meaning a bus meeting every train between Greensborough and Plenty while not needless duplicating the already-frequent 901. The upshot is a somewhat indirect route and not having the bus serve the reopened Melbourne Poly/NMIT campus, as well as pretty much making the new route a Dyson service instead of Panorama.
* Change route 580 so that all services reach Diamond Creek station via Broad Gully Road rather than via Chute Street (which would be served by the new route 343). One could go further and have the 343 take over the James Cook Drive loop but that would remove the benefit of a direct service.
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Thanks for the feedback Alex.Much appreciated.Do you live up in that part of Melbourne,like krustyklo ??
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If a metro rail line is not worth being duplicated, it doesn't deserve to exist.
Whilst I mostly agree with the statement, I would suspect that the cost of duplicating Diamond Creek to Eltham is prohibitive with the creek crossings and would probably be highly controversial locally. Yet as you pointed out, Diamond Creek generates acceptable patronage, hence why I would be happy terminating the line there instead of Eltham. It would probably also make a 20 minute service feasible even with the single track.
For those wondering about the political landscape, the two state seats that the proposed route traverses - Eltham and Yan Yean - are marginal ALP seats (2.69% and 3.65% respectively). With such margins in place it would be highly unlikely that trains past Eltham or Diamond Creek would be withdrawn in the short-to-medium term, although if travel times were competitive enough to draw passengers away then the case could be made with minimal political impact.
I think in this case that it could be made to work politically without as much trouble as it might initially seem. It comes down to what is on offer, and how that tallies with local transport concerns.
Firstly, lets look at what is likely to occur in this area in the next 10 or so years if the current government remains in power, given the current projects under way. As part of the Rosanna / Alphington level crossing removals, the LXRA is also tasked with implementing the 343 and investigating the duplication of the Eltham to Greensborough railway line. Lets assume they both occur and the money is going to be spent anyway.
According to the ad in the local paper this week, and Craig's suspicions above, the 343 is only going to run Monday to Friday. If it takes the direct route, then the hint at a 40 minute off peak frequency suggests it will be a single bus used on the route. The 901 has an allowance of 10 minutes from Greensborough station to Yan Yean Rd, and I doubt it would be more than 7-8 minutes needed to Diamond Creek station from there (Google Maps suggests a 5 minute drive, and there will be no stops between Yan Yean Rd and Ryans Rd as there would be nowhere safe to put them). Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised to see it through routed with the 381 given that seems to be how Dysons do things (in the same way, for example, that the 517 and 566 are through routed at Northland).
Lets also call a ballpark estimation that based on Alex's figures above you can run approximately 3 times the level of service using buses than you can trains. If we assume a 20 minute frequency between Diamond Creek and Hurstbridge would replace a 40 minute train, and that a second bus could also be provided between DIamond Creek and Greensborough, then we are already ahead in that there is double the current level of service. However, some of that cost saving would be lost if the opportunity was taken to run a 20 minute service to Diamond Creek from Eltham once the line is duplicated. I suspect that this proposal would be roughly equal to the cost of the current services plus the additional money being spent on line duplication and the 343.
Politically I suspect that whilst there would be grumblings about the train being removed between Hurstbridge and Diamond Creek, I suspect the much better frequency provision would be seen as an acceptable compromise. The other benefit of having the Hurstbridge bus run all the way to Greensborough is that I suspect it is a much more desirable destination than Eltham in that the trains are more frequent from there south (although less of an issue if most run to Eltham instead once the line capacity is upgraded), and the station isn't well placed for the shopping centre given the need to walk up a steep hill, or walk round the back way via Hailes St which isn't the most pedestrian friendly (especially carrying two to three heavy bags of shopping as I can assure you from personal experience!) A bus stopping out the front of the Main St entrance would be seen as a preferable option for a one seat ride by many compared to the train.
The other thing about those marginal seats is that most people in those seats live in built up areas such as Greensborough, Briar Hill, Montmorency, Eltham in the case of Eltham.
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The seat of Eltham benefits from a more frequent 343 than currently proposed, and wouldn't otherwise be affected by removal of Diamond Creek to Hurstbridge.

On the other hand, people in Yan Yean are directly affected by my proposal but most of those would live in areas such as Doreen, Mernda, and further west including other growing areas such as Wallan.
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Even so, it depends on how many will gripe about having to change mode at Diamond Creek or Greensborough compared to having double the service and connecting to more frequent services at Greensborough. I suspect like the initial concerns about the 562 being moved away from Greensborough, it will blow over fairly quickly and people will adapt.

Even so, there is still one ace left up the government's sleeve. If it turns out there is still a small saving from implementing my ideas above, one political sore point in the local area is the lack of bus services past Hurstbridge. Whilst I would be inclined to agree that there wouldn't be enough people in places such as Panton Hill, St Andrews, etc to justify running full size buses, if there is spare money from removing the rail line, it could well be politically worth extending the 343 past Hurstbridge to provide an hourly service to Panton Hill and St Andrews, returning via Cottles Bridge. According to Google Maps, Hurstbridge to St Andrews via Panton Hill is an 11 minute trip, via Cottles Bridge is 10. Whilst it would be uneconomic to run such a service in isolation when there are no other bus services past Diamond Creek necessitating a lot of empty running to get there (less I guess if Panorama were to run the service), if there are already buses running to Hurstbridge, I wonder if that would make such a service more economic if it makes the politics a lot easier. If you were sneaky, I guess you could run it as a trial to grease the political wheels, then remove it if noone used it, keeping it if enough people did much as the Kinglake service was kept.

Having said all that, I suspect the real pain and agitation will actually come a lot less from the locals, and much more from the RTBU who would possibly see this as alternately a threat to members jobs (not likely if it means the services being removed are run elsewhere where there is greater need), and an opportunity to get leverage over the government to cut a deal for something they want. (Please don't see this as union bashing - I see it as their job to firstly defend their members jobs, then to use any opportunity to improve conditions for their members, hence why I would expect it! As a member of a union, I would like to think this is what my union does for me.) Given they have more power than locals in dealing with the government, I suspect this would actually be the deal breaker that would make it all too hard on top of dealing with concerns from locals unsure if they are being screwed over.

Either way, I too doubt anything will change as political inertia seems to favour the idea that if it's not broken, why fix it for the angst it might cause in the short term. It does seem a lost opportunity cost to make the service both much more frequent, and reliable as well given the issues with a long stretch of single line on a Metro train service, unlikely ever to be duplicated past Eltham.
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Can someone please think of the kangaroos who use the rail service? :evil:

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burrumbus wrote:Thanks for the feedback Alex.Much appreciated.Do you live up in that part of Melbourne,like krustyklo ??
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Thanks Alex.It's a nice part of Melbourne out there.More like a country town,where I come from.(Albury).I've been out there a number of times over the years checking out the Panorama operation.
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PTV have recently released the results of the consultation for the new 343 service, which can be found in the "Get Involved" section - https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/Uploads/1 ... ummary.PDF

A massive 840 people took part in the consultation, 45% of whom lived in Diamond Creek. 59% of respondents were regular users of public transport (at least 3 - 4 times a week)

It looks like no consensus has been reached on which option is better however - 428 out of the 840 respondents preferred option 2 operating through St Helena over the faster option along Diamond Creek Rd. Feedback suggests people would appreciate better access to facilities in St Helena (the existing 580 bus only passes within 750m of the shopping centre)

As to be expected, the feedback also attracted comments that a St Andrews link would be welcomed, no doubt due to the drop-in session being held in the PM peak at Hurstbridge.

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So, hourly all day, finished by 5:43 in the afternoon and not running on Sundays? Just thinking about the typical outer suburban Melbourne bus timetable. :)
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A massive 840 people took part in the consultation, 45% of whom lived in Diamond Creek. 59% of respondents were regular users of public transport (at least 3 - 4 times a week)
I picked up that it was only just over half as well (51%) wanting option 2. Yet the rest of that section focussed on why those people preferred option 2, but not on why the almost as many people wanting option 1 chose that option (eg, faster journey? More frequent service?) The cynical part of me thinks there is a preference by the PTV as well.
It looks like no consensus has been reached on which option is better however - 428 out of the 840 respondents preferred option 2 operating through St Helena over the faster option along Diamond Creek Rd. Feedback suggests people would appreciate better access to facilities in St Helena (the existing 580 bus only passes within 750m of the shopping centre)
But the 517 and 518 both go past the shopping centre. It really depends on where people are coming from that want to go to St Helena Marketplace. Whilst the supermarket there is big and quite good, there's little else of interest that can't be found in Diamond Creek, Greensborough or Eltham. As someone who lived not far away in Aqueduct Rd for a few years, I usually went to Greensborough unless going to the supermarket for a few items or a larger shop if I couldn't be bothered driving to Greensborough. It is really just a small local shopping centre. As for the other facilities mentioned, the 580 goes close enough to the St Helena Secondary College now, the 517 passes by the front, and the 518 deviates in the morning and afternoon to serve the school. As if that wasn't enough, there is also the 381 school trip to and from the college in the morning.

Whilst I can see the usefulness of the deviation, I'm not sure it is primarily from people using the bus to go from Diamond Creek to St Helena Marketplace (or the kinder) as suggested. The school is already well served coming from Diamond Creek, Eltham and Greensborough (and the other nearby community facilities, albeit with a walk up a steepish hill). The biggest disincentive to local travel in that area to the shopping centre, school, etc is the 517 and 518 loops meaning that it is easy to go in one direction to the shops, etc but not to go back. Both loops effectively serve trips to and from Greensborough, not locally, as a result. A better approach to this piecemeal single route consultation would be to use the new route to facilitate a bigger reorganisation. Gone are the days when St Helena was served by a single loop of the 517 which was inadequate well before it was "fixed" by adding west and east loops which operated half as often on each loop over the original as a result. With the 343 there will be 4 routes in the area duplicating each other and not overly effective for the resources used.

Here's an idea for discussion. Why not eliminate the 518 loop, run services both ways along Allumba Dve and Beales Rd (the west part of the current loop) and extend this past the shopping centre along the proposed 343 route. It will add slightly more time to the journey, but probably not a lot. Based on the current timetable, it would take 16 minutes from St Helena Marketplace to Greensborough station (although 9 minutes from the shopping centre to Allumba Dve/Beales Lane seems somewhat generous - a quick look at the stop timetable suggests 6 minutes is allowed for the short distance between Sette Ct and Alumba Dve - even before the 6 minute wait for the return trip! Hence a trip without waiting time could reasonably take about 11 minutes between Greensborough and St Helena Marketplace.) compared to about 9 or 10 minutes using Diamond Creek Rd (the 901 takes about 6 minutes to Yan Yean Rd, plus another 3 or so to the shopping centre along Aqueduct Rd - the 518 is allowed 2 minutes for the stretch along Aqueduct Rd before turning off at Marino Way).

The advantage is it makes the 518 more usable for local journeys, provides trips for more St Helena residents to Diamond Creek as it seems to be somewhere lots of people suddenly want to go to, and uses the resources of the existing 518 which already goes halfway to Diamond creek, meaning the resources saved could be used to serve the proposed 343 route at least as far as Diamond Creek on weekends as well, something the current 343 proposal won't do.

On the other hand, I have no idea how to fix the 517 in the same way. Without looking, I have a feeling the bus reviews from 5+ years ago suggested deviating the 580 via Progress and Ryans Rd at the south end to serve more people rather than parkland. If it did this, the 517 could be a two way route along Weidlich Rd and Wallowa Rd, then loop along Parry Rd and return along Wallowa Rd.
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krustyklo wrote:I picked up that it was only just over half as well (51%) wanting option 2. Yet the rest of that section focussed on why those people preferred option 2, but not on why the almost as many people wanting option 1 chose that option (eg, faster journey? More frequent service?) The cynical part of me thinks there is a preference by the PTV as well.
The fact it was on the table in the first place suggests that PTV or the local MP has a bias towards the option - initially the purpose seemed to be a route to supplement the train in lieu of a duplication to Diamond Creek (hence announced in the state budget alongside the Hurstbridge Line package), now effectively it'll be just an additional local route?
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It looks like no consensus has been reached on which option is better however - 428 out of the 840 respondents preferred option 2 operating through St Helena over the faster option along Diamond Creek Rd. Feedback suggests people would appreciate better access to facilities in St Helena (the existing 580 bus only passes within 750m of the shopping centre)
But the 517 and 518 both go past the shopping centre. It really depends on where people are coming from that want to go to St Helena Marketplace.
Given the high percentage of respondents from Diamond Creek, I had made an assumption that it was those residents who wanted better access to St Helena, beyond the catchment of 580?

You do make some good points about the loop nature of both the 517 & 518 preventing access home from the shops (and vise versa for others).

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The fact it was on the table in the first place suggests that PTV or the local MP has a bias towards the option - initially the purpose seemed to be a route to supplement the train in lieu of a duplication to Diamond Creek (hence announced in the state budget alongside the Hurstbridge Line package), now effectively it'll be just an additional local route?
It does seem to have blown out in scope somewhat. I'm sure the original proposal was between Greensborough and Diamond Creek, presumably to duplicate the service between those two places given the single line. I still have a hard copy of the first LXRA newsletter letterbox dropped - I should dig it out. Then it was Greensborough to Hurstbridge. Now it's this other option providing local service through St Helena. Frankly, they may as well do it properly and make it a normal route with service matching other new routes (eg, 385 in the local area with 40 min frequency and 20 min peak hour frequency). Especially if the Hurstbridge to Diamond Creek section only ran as planned on weekdays - I don't think it is really needed on weekends (or even on weekdays at the risk of ruffling a few local feathers).
Given the high percentage of respondents from Diamond Creek, I had made an assumption that it was those residents who wanted better access to St Helena, beyond the catchment of 580?
No idea why TBH. The key local trip generator is the secondary college, already served by the 580. The shopping centre might be next, but is really quite small with a newsagent, butcher, hairdresser and a few other small businesses, as well as a large Woolworths supermarket. But I doubt going to a large Woolworths is what you would use the bus for, most people in Diamond Creek would have at least one car given the transport scarcity until relatively recently (ie, the last decade) which would be far more useful for a large shop that can't be met by the Diamond Creek Coles. Having said that, if you're already in the car, Greensborough Plaza is another 5 minutes down the road with Woolworths, Coles AND Aldi, as is Eltham which is served by the aforementioned 580. The local primary schools are not on the proposed new route and I would make a bet that nobody in Diamond Creek would use the new route to go to the kinder or MCH centre as suggested in the consultation summary. The whole thing is a little bizarre to be honest. I accept that the local area is a marginal state and federal electorate hence the greater likelihood for improved services, but with the 381 and the new proposed 343 there seems to be more than meets the eye given Diamond Creek only has a low (but positive) rate of residential growth and no plans to become a more significant activity centre than now. On Thursday I went out taking photos of the new network and whilst the 385 was acceptably used, the 381 buses which passed me in Yan Yean Rd were empty. Admittedly the 385 replaces an existing route (the 520) and the 381 needs time for travel patterns to change, and of course January is a quiet month (hence why I was out taking photos in peak hour), but I can't imagine a great need for travelling from Doreen to Diamond Creek or reverse apart from school students going to Diamond Valley or St Helena (and I expect this traffic will diminish as Hazel Glen adds more year levels, and Mernda Central does the same once it opens - it is certainly unlikely to substantially grow).

Maybe someone else in the area can comment on a traffic flow or unique feature of Diamond Creek I have overlooked justifying the sudden increase in bus services?
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Re: PTV: 343 Greensborough - Hurstbridge Link

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Hello,

The following was posted on the PTV website today (Wednesday 19th April, 2017)

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Route 343 Greensborough to Hurstbridge Link

From Monday 19 June, we’re introducing a new bus route for Plenty Valley.

The new service runs Monday to Friday, providing residents with more public transport options, improved coverage, and better train connections.

Route 343 connects with trains at Greensborough Station, giving residents of Wattle Glen, Diamond Creek, and Hurstbridge more choice of train services.

Timetables will be available on the PTV website or by calling 1800 800 007 from 18 May 2017.
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Re: PTV: 343 Greensborough - Hurstbridge Link

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Hello,

The Route 343 Hurstbridge to Greensborough bus timetable has now been released, ahead of it's start on the 19th June.

Services run Monday to Friday only at a 20 minute peak and 40 minute off peak frequency.
Panorama Bus Lines will operate this service.

Full details of the route and timetable can be found here:
https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/route/view/11575

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Re: PTV: 343 Greensborough - Hurstbridge Link

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The 40-min interpeak headway plugs the gap well for passengers heading to Hurstbridge, but inbound buses simply connect with trains that originated from Hurstbridge. This appears unavoidable without hopelessly long layovers at either end.

Assuming around 5 mins is added by going through St Helena, the timetable would have worked much much better by running direct - the bus would have arrived Hurstbridge with enough time for a 5 min layover before heading back to Greensborough to meet the train originating at Eltham...

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