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Re: Metro Train tender awarded

Postby Roderick Smith » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:27 am

Just call it a train tender, but don't promote the spin term.


Melbourne’s high-capacity train builder has worked with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.
Herald Sun May 21, 2017.
VICTORIA has hired dictator Kim Jong Un’s train builder to supply its advanced new $2 billion fleet.
The Changchun Railway Vehicles built rolling stock for the despised North Korean dictator’s Pyongyang metro and also for the Tehran metro in Iran.
The Chinese-state owned company will build the shells of 65 new trains in Beijing, which will then be assembled in Victoria.
Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan signed the contract — which was Victoria’s biggest ever order of trains — with the Evolution Rail Consortium led by Engineering firm EDI Downer in November last year.
But a parliamentary inquiry heard that EDI Downer has had a chequered history of delivering train projects in Australia — being fined for delivering one project over budget and late.
Liberal MP Tim Smith said at a parliamentary inquiry the Chanchung Railway Vehicles company had little experience building trains in Australia.
“Have they only built train for Tehran and Pyongyan,” Mr Smith said.
Victoria has hired dictator Kim Jong Un’s train builder to supply its advanced new $2 billion fleet. Picture: AP Photo/Vincent Yu Kew Liberal MP Tim Smith has questioned the Changchun Railway Vehicle Company’s ability to deliver Victoria’s new trains Ms Allan told the Public Accounts and Estimate Committee the train contractor would provide 60 per cent of the work done in Victoria and that Downer EDI was well known in Australian train manufacturing.
But Downer EDI built the trouble plagued $3.5 billion Waratah trains project for NSW government in 2011, which came in over budget and about 18 months late.
Liberal MP David Morris said the supplier seemed to have a “bad track record” delivering large-scale train infrastructure projects.
Ms Allan said the “Rolling Stock” division in the Transport Department would ensure local content and performance targets were being met throughout the life of the contract.
Ms Allan said the high-capacity project would create 1100 jobs, with trains rolling out each year from 2018 until the Melbourne Metro project’s completion in 2026.
She said since 2011 the NSW government had granted a contract to Downer EDI to build a further $1.7 billion worth of trains.
Public Transport minister Jacinta Allan is backing the Evolution Rail Consortium to build the $2 billion high-capacity train project Public Transport Victoria chief executive Jeroen Weimar said extensive reference checks were done with the NSW government and independent engineering firms advice “The Changchun Railway Vehicles Company is the world’s largest train manufacturer. They have built successful projects across the US, Europe and Australia,” Mr Weimar said.
He said the company would only receive funds from the government if the trains met quality standards.
The high-capacity trains will be 20 per cent longer than the existing fleet and run through the to be completed metro tunnel on the Cranbourne-Pakenham line.
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Re: High Capacity Metro Train tender awarded

Postby cal_t » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:46 pm

Funny how they nearly copied my design from 2010....

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Re: Longer trains & platforms

Postby In Transit » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:47 pm

Roderick Smith wrote:The doors issue is a myth, based on the idea that everybody climbs out at every station, and is replaced with a new load: not so. Australian systems are mainly tidal flow.


No, the door issue is not predicated on that at all. Dwell time is also affected by people fighting their way through a crowded carriage to reach a door to alight, and because of this the natural reluctance of people to move far from the doors, resulting in a loss of capacity and delays when passengers are trying to squeeze in whilst boarding. Try looking at a Sydney DD sometime, and marvel at all that empty aisle space in the upstairs/downstairs sections on even the most crowded of services.

I believe both DD and single deck trains (and buses) have their place... neither is the best solution for every circumstance. However those who fanatically adopt one position or the other, and have this religious fervour about it.. that I find difficult to understand.
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Re: High Capacity Metro Train tender awarded

Postby Roderick Smith » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:44 pm


Inside Melbourne’s new trains. October 6, 2017.
Last week we took a look at the mock-up of Melbourne’s new train design, to give feedback to the project team.
The mock-up is one and a half carriages, designed to show stakeholder groups the layout, including the inter-carriage connections.
The platform alongside the mock-up has different heights, to simulate actual conditions around Melbourne’s rail network. This model of train will initially run between Sunbury and Cranbourne/Pakenham, but eventually will run on other lines too. (We think the front destination sign is very clear, but not so readable from an angle as the train approaches the platform.)
Ramps are also in use for testing with accessibility groups. They are testing different highlights around the doorways to assist people with vision difficulties.
A “gap filler” is being tested, attached to the doorway of the train. We’re a bit concerned that this is rubbery, and may move under-foot – it’s also incompatible with similar devices on some station platforms. The external passenger assistance button is also only a test, and may not be on the final trains built.
Inside, there is open space near the ends of the carriages, providing allocated spots for wheelchairs. Happily, the hand straps in the standing areas are soft, and don’t squeak like on the Siemens trains.
The middle sections of the carriages have a lot more seats. The total number of seats in the 7-car train will be about the same as the trains in the current fleet. The mock-up has more places to hold (rails and hand straps) on than on the Comeng and Siemens train, but we think there could be even more provided.
Above each doorway is a “Passenger Information Display” screen showing the next station and other information. They’re trying out different designs, including colour, and white on black (which isn’t as “pretty”, but is much more readable).
The inside walls have a “dynamic route map” showing the route the train is taking, and its current location. Of course these will have to be more reliable than the current fleet.
A display on the outside of the train also shows the destination. This is more readable than similar displays on the X’Trapolis trains.
Overall the mock-up looks pretty good to us, but we’ve provided some feedback on areas where we hope to see improvements in the design, as have other groups.
Anything you see here may have changed by the time the real trains start service.
Here are some more details of the mock-up, provided by the government:
The High Capacity Metro Trains Project is currently two weeks into the final train design consultation phase, which has been running all year.
14 accessibility groups, 3 passenger groups and technical experts are all now evaluating the mock-up train.
The High Capacity Metro Trains Project ran a passenger simulation exercise a few days ago, where almost 100 members of the public were brought in to experience the mock-up.
On 3 October, Guide Dogs Victoria were evaluating the mock-up – including their suggested change for more flip down priority seating as guide dogs are trained to sit beneath their owner’s seats.
Passengers, accessibility and transport user groups have already provided feedback on features such as the doors, seats, lighting, electronic signage, straps, and handrails.
More than 600,000 Australians currently use mobility aids and the design of the High Capacity Metro Trains has factored in their need for more space for mobility devices, including scooters and wheelchairs.
The final number of seats is yet to be determined and will be decided once the extensive stakeholder consultation that is underway concludes – however, the new trains will have more seats than the current fleets, which have between 420 to 432.
The feedback from stakeholder groups will be consolidated at the end of this evaluation phase, with the train design to then be finalised over coming months.
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Train tender awarded

Postby Roderick Smith » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:36 pm

Of course, 1100 is not high capacity. Just adding one more carriage to existing trains accounts for 16% of the 20%. The rest has come by removing seats (two standees for each one seat removed).
Base case is true high capacity, 2000. Even allowing for mezzanines going for bikes and wheelchairs, perhaps 1800, and with more seats.
Hitachi and Comeng could hold 1400-1500.
As ever, a project justified by spin, not substance.


Melbourne, meet your new train.
From 9-17 February, step inside a life size model of your new train – spanning 40 metres in length.
◾When: Friday 9 February to Saturday 17 February 2018.
◾Where: Birrarung Marr, lower terrace along the Yarra River (near Federation Square, a short walk from Flinders St Station)
◾What: Walk, stand and sit inside and around the train model. Participate in family-friendly activities and check out our competitions. Entry is free Opening times coming soon.
The nine-day event concludes at White Night, where you will have the chance to experience the future of public transport like never before.
White Night’s ethos celebrates our inclusive society, a fitting theme to display Melbourne’s new train as its passenger features were designed with the help of hundreds of Victorians.
The model is making a stop at Birrarung Marr before it is moved to its new home at the Newport manufacturing facility - where it will be used to assist with further testing and train manufacturing.
◾Virtual reality experience: Journey through Melbourne and beyond ◾Sit in a passenger seat: Experience your new train
◾Build-a-train: Create your own miniature cardboard high capacity metro train in our kids’ activity area
◾Colouring-in: Turn our train into your work of art ◾Win a ride on the first train: Enter our competitions by scanning the posters located around the marquee or by snapping a picture, use the tag #biggertrains and share on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter ◾Go to our snap spot at the front of the train for the best photo ◾Step inside our info tent for everything you’d like to know about the HCMT Project ◾White Night (one night only – Saturday 17 February): World class art and pioneering public transport helps make Melbourne the world’s most liveable city. Experience them together this White Night. Visit: www.whitenight.com.au The new-trains project delivers the first two stages of our rolling stock strategy and includes:
◾65 next-generation high capacity metro trains
◾1100 local jobs
◾7 per cent of the workforce for disadvantaged workers; and 15 per cent for apprentices ◾trains ready to take Cranbourne and Pakenham line passengers from mid-2019.
Latest news (December 2017) Sign up for project news
Latest news (December 2017) accessible version (DOCX 1269 KB) We're finalising the design of the new next-generation high capacity metropolitan trains that will transform public transport in Melbourne.
An extensive engagement program led to more than 2500 pieces of feedback, which have been considered in the train design.
We would like to thank accessibility groups, passenger groups, members of the public and technical stakeholders that were part of this year-long program.
Read the key aspects of the train design engagement:
◾Train Design Conversation Summary (PDF 7.25MB) ◾Train Design Conversation Summary (accessible Word doc) (DOCX 199KB) Melbourne's new trains will be able to carry around 20 per cent more passengers than existing rolling stock.
They will be equipped with the latest technology for passenger comfort, accessibility and safety.
The bigger, better trains will commence operations on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines from mid-2019.
In the longer term, they will run through the Metro Tunnel to Sunbury.
The HCMT Project is a public private partnership between the Victorian Government and Evolution Rail (Downer, CRRC and Plenary).
See more:
◾Project summary (DOCX 1.45MB)
◾Project agreement
Your new train
Victoria's next-generation trains are going to get more Victorians where they need to go.
number of trains being built: 65
length of each train: 160 metres
number carriages per train:
planned passenger load: 1100 passengers.
Passenger benefits
The new trains will deliver:
◾a smoother, quieter and more comfortable ride with improved seating and standing areas ◾improved accessibility features including: ◾28 allocated spaces for wheelchairs and other mobility devices in each seven-car train (14 allocated spaces in each direction of travel) ◾priority seating throughout the train, located close to doorways and windows ◾two mixed-use spaces in each of the middle three carriages for passengers travelling with bikes, prams and other large items ◾improved real-time information through dynamic route maps and passenger information displays ◾improved passenger safety, with full CCTV surveillance ◾cooling and heating appropriate for Melbourne conditions ◾new high capacity signalling to enable trains to run more frequently once Metro Tunnel opens ◾more seats than existing trains on the network - the exact number and configuration is still being finalised.
Train design consultation
The new trains are being designed throughout 2017 in Victoria in close consultation with stakeholders including accessibility, passenger groups and technical stakeholders. These stakeholders have provided hundreds of comments on features such as the doors, seats, lighting, electronic signage, straps and handrails.
Feedback has led to a number of changes, including the colour of handrails, additional hand holds, more priority flip down seats and more signage on the outside of the new trains.
As more than 600,000 Australians currently use mobility aids, the design of the high capacity metro trains has factored in their need for more space for mobility devices, including scooters and wheelchairs.
Upgrades to the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines To enable the high capacity metro trains to run on Melbourne's busiest rail corridor, preparation works are occurring on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines. These works include station platform extensions and upgrades to power and signalling.
To find out more about how your trip may be affected, visit ptv.vic.gov.au or call 1800 800 007.
Supporting Victoria’s manufacturing industry The project is putting Victorians to work by generating more than 1100 jobs divided between the Newport manufacturing facility in Melbourne’s west and dozens of component suppliers across the state.
A new train maintenance depot
We're building a new state-of-the-art depot at Pakenham East that will provide maintenance facilities for Melbourne's new fleet of high-capacity metro trains, a stabling yard for 30 trains and a high-tech driver-training simulator.
The new depot will deliver:
◾400 jobs at the peak of construction
◾100 long-term rail maintenance jobs
◾work for local suppliers through the use of at least 87 per cent local content during construction.
An artist’s impression of the Pakenham East depot – indoor.
An artist’s impression of the Pakenham East depot – outdoor.
Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (EPBC) – HCMT Depot Approval under the EPBC Act to proceed with the Pakenham East train stabling and maintenance depot works was issued on 8 November 2016 based on general and targeted studies of the site's environmental and cultural heritage values.
Early works commenced on this site in February 2017.
A key requirement of the EPBC Act approval is the publication of annual EPBC Act compliance reports by DEDJTR. The first report is due in May 2018 Contract signed with Evolution Rail November 2016.
Consultation commences on train design February 2017 .
Train design phase ends Early 2018 .
Manufacturing commences at Newport Early 2018 .
Delivery of the first new train for testing November 2018 Depot complete December 2018 First new train operational on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines From mid-2019 .
Delivery of the 65th new train 2023
Opening of the Tunnel with new trains 2026.
https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-projec ... tro-trains
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