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Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby MAN 16.242 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:46 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/changes- ... 42fax.html
Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes
March 12, 2015 - 6:13PM

Melbourne's tram network is in for a change of direction, with three routes set to be diverted to new destinations, one route scaled back and another scrapped completely.

The planned tram overhaul was originally scheduled for April, in sync with the opening of the Regional Rail Link, but has been delayed until at least June while the Andrews government considers its first revamp of public transport timetables.

The plans, leaked to Fairfax Media, reveal that some of the most overcrowded tram routes in Melbourne have been targeted for change and in the case of route 8 between Moreland and Toorak, permanent discontinuation.

Route 8 is statistically one of the city's most overburdened tram routes. In May it recorded load breaches, in which trams are more than 100 per cent full, right across the morning peak and for most of the evening peak.

The overcrowding was worst on trams heading into the city from the northern suburbs. The most recent passenger load survey conducted by Public Transport Victoria revealed patronage levels into the CBD on route 8 had jumped between 11 and 19 per cent in just 12 months.

But route 8 passengers will not be left without a tram service - three other routes will be modified to take its place.

Tram route 55, which runs from West Coburg to the Domain Interchange on St Kilda Road, will be extended through to Toorak.

Tram route 6, which currently runs from Glen Iris to Melbourne University, will be extended to East Coburg.

And tram route 1, which runs from East Coburg to South Melbourne Beach, will instead terminate at Moreland Road in Brunswick.

But users of tram route 19 between North Coburg and Flinders Street Station may have cause to feel aggrieved by the looming changes, with the number of trams that ply the busy route due to be cut.

The service cut will take place in exchange for the route getting a full fleet of high-capacity low-floor trams.

Load breaches remain a problem on route 19, which services the boom suburb of Brunswick and which experienced a 17 per cent jump last year in the number of people using it to travel into the city in the morning peak.

Daniel Bowen, a spokesman for the Public Transport Users Association, said that if route 19 was going to get fewer but larger trams, PTV would need to make sure this did not worsen overcrowding.

He also warned that many people who are used to getting a seat on a tram might have to stand, because low-floor trams have fewer seats.

Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said the government was assessing proposed tram network service improvements, "however, no final proposal has yet been provided to government for consideration".

Meanwhile, Yarra Trams is also set to unveil plans for a series of new super stops along St Kilda Road.

Two new platform tram stops are planned between the Domain Interchange and Flinders Street. The number of stops on that stretch of St Kilda Road will be cut from four to two, and the road will change from three lanes to two each way.

Yarra Trams spokesman Simon Murphy said the construction of two new super stops will make the entire tram corridor between Melbourne University and Domain Interchange compliant with disability discrimination laws.

"Platform stops improve passenger and road user safety and network accessibility, which is particularly important on the world's busiest tram corridor," he said.

Yarra Trams has limited its publicity campaign about the mooted changes to posters and leaflets at the affected St Kilda Road stops.

Mr Murphy said: "Yarra Trams and PTV acknowledge that while community feedback is welcome, major changes to the design are not practical due to the space available on the road to meet the needs of tram passengers and other road users."
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby 712M » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:02 pm

I fail to understand why they would reduce frequency on the 19 which, unless Upfield line services are improved, will only get busier. Swapping the northern terminus of the 1 seems rather pointless and just confusing for passengers. Hopefully the change will introduce more larger trams onto the Lygon St corridor, unlikely as the 6 is only run by Zs and D1s...
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby tranzitjim » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:45 pm

Why can they not use the number 2 for Moreland to South Melbourne?

We always use a different route number when the route taken is changed. Which is always a good idea.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby krustyklo » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:38 pm

Hopefully the change will introduce more larger trams onto the Lygon St corridor, unlikely as the 6 is only run by Zs and D1s...

Given the 19 will lose B2s presumably replaced by cascaded D2s from the 96 with the introduction of the E class, would it be likely these will end up replacing the Zs on the 6, 8/55 and other southern routes affected? In which case it is possible Lygon St routes will get larger trams, ie, the cascaded B2s?
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby Craig » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:44 am

712M wrote:Swapping the northern terminus of the 1 seems rather pointless and just confusing for passengers.


No doubt the change is for operation savings, reducing the amount of drivers who have to be relived at Nicholson St & Moreland Rd (either by hand-over or depot movements).

By swapping which terminus Malvern depot trams operate to, there will be more timetabled movements to Moreland by Brunswick Depot trams, reducing the number of reliefs required by inefficient depot movements or away from Brunswick Depot by around half.

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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby tranzitjim » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:18 pm

Brunswick shall be getting all 21 of the D2 class. There is no way that #19 shall need all those 21 D2s. Certainly during the day, 14 or 15 would be more than enough to handle the typical demand.

The other 5 units are sure to see service on the new Moreland - South Melbourne route. Will that route end up being all B class only?
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby RailwayBus » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:52 pm

tranzitjim wrote:We always use a different route number when the route taken is changed.


No we don't. You're talking sh*t again.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby paulgersche » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:25 am

I can recall Moreland trams in the City via Lygon Street running under the following numbers 15; 22; 8 --- and now, the supplementary number is 1 !

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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby Alex on the Bus » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:29 am

RailwayBus wrote:
tranzitjim wrote:We always use a different route number when the route taken is changed.

No we don't. You're talking sh*t again.

They were going to use a different number but they kept the existing one just to annoy you specifically... :P

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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby Craig » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:20 pm

The Age wrote:Iconic W-Class trams to be slashed in City Circle revamp plan
March 13, 2015
Adam Carey

Melbourne's treasured W-Class trams could soon become a rarer sight on the city streets, if a proposal to slash the number of City Circle trams that operate is accepted by the state government.

Public Transport Victoria and Yarra Trams have proposed to run the City Circle tram in one direction only, effectively halving the service, which is popular with tourists as well as being used by city workers and residents.

The City Circle line is a free service that runs around the perimeter of the central business district and through Docklands. It exclusively uses Melbourne's historic W-Class trams, running clockwise and counter-clockwise at 12-minute intervals.

If accepted, the proposal would leave only a handful of W-Class trams in operation. This is despite the ongoing, $8 million restoration of four W-Class trams in Bendigo. Two trams have already been fully restored and are operating on the City Circle line, and two more are still being worked on.

The proposal was criticised by the Rail, Tram and Bus Union, which said any cut in the number of W-Class trams in operation would be a loss to Melbourne's transport heritage.

"We're against any reduction to W-Class trams and any reduction to the City Circle service," said Phil Altieri, the union's assistant branch secretary. "It's the only resemblance to vintage trams left in Melbourne."

Mr Altieri said the government ought to restore and put in service more W-Class trams, most of which are kept out in storage, away from the public's sight. The trams are about 85 years old, and are confined to the City Circle line and the part-time route 30 between Docklands and St Vincent's Plaza.

They were restored and kept in service after years of lobbying by heritage and public transport advocates.

A Public Transport Victoria spokeswoman did not deny the plan to cut City Circle trams by 50 per cent had been proposed.

In response to direct questions, the spokeswoman only stated: "Any changes to existing tram service provision are developed by Yarra Trams and PTV and ultimately approved by the Minister for Public Transport."

It is believed the proposed cut to the City Circle line would also involve the removal of on-board customer service staff.

Mr Altieri said the on-board staff added value to the City Circle service, particularly for tourists, and should be retained.

The Andrews government is also weighing up whether to proceed with major changes to four tram routes, as Fairfax Media reported on Thursday. Under the proposal, originally scheduled to take effect in April but now delayed, routes 6 and 55 would be extended, route 1 diverted and route 8 axed.


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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby jamesadams7 » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:13 pm

As 8 and 55 are to be merged, low-floor trams will operate along Route 55 for the first time, serving platform stops in front of the hospitals. Unfortunately, there's no platform stops on William Street yet to make use of them.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby krustyklo » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:58 pm

I can recall Moreland trams in the City via Lygon Street running under the following numbers 15; 22; 8 --- and now, the supplementary number is 1 !


I'm possibly misremembering it, but in the 90s when I used to work in Sturt St, I'm sure the odd tram from South Melbourne Beach showed up for Moreland numbered as a 1 (possibly changing number when it got to the city although I never noticed this).
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby RailwayBus » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:55 am

jamesadams7 wrote:As 8 and 55 are to be merged, low-floor trams will operate along Route 55 for the first time, serving platform stops in front of the hospitals. Unfortunately, there's no platform stops on William Street yet to make use of them.


Low floor trams have operated on the 55 in the past, but not on a regular basis. One such occasion was during the Commonwealth Games.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby Craig » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:23 pm

PTV & Yarra Trams are now conducting an online survey regarding these postponed changes - http://ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/get-invo ... -services/

No mention of the proposed change to make City Circle trams operate in one direction though.

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Domain Rd tram

Postby Roderick Smith » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:02 am

Uprooted: Tram access to Botanic Gardens 'front door' could go with track change.
October 16 2016 - Melbourne 'Age'.
It's the place where Melbourne's trams stop and smell the roses, but the route 8 dogleg past the Royal Botanic Gardens could be consigned to history within two years.
Tram tracks that run along Domain Road and Park Street in South Yarra will be taken out of service, perhaps permanently, when work starts on a new underground railway station at the corner of Domain and St Kilda roads.
Metro Tunnel work beginning in 2017.
Victorian government releases a video animation showcasing the first major works for the tunnel. (Video supplied by Melbourne Metro Rail) The move to permanently alter route 8, with trams to run direct along Toorak Road instead of past the gardens, marks a recent change in plans for the $10.9 billion Melbourne Metro project.
An environment effects statement for the nine-kilometre rail tunnel, published in June, said diversions to route 8 while Domain station is built would be temporary.
The number 8 tram passes a cafe on Domain Road. Photo: Justin McManus.
"The proposed arrangements for the tram services along Toorak Road is to return the trams to the current alignment in Domain Road, so that they would not continue to use the Toorak Road west alignment proposed for use during the construction phase," the EES said.
But less than five months on, Public Transport Victoria is now considering re-routing route 8 along Toorak Road for good.
This is, in part, at the request of the Stonnington city council, which argues it would give South Yarra and Toorak residents a quicker and more reliable run into the city.
PTV said, in its submission to the planning panel hearing on Melbourne Metro, that trams "can be prone to delays" on Domain Road, especially in the peak when they get stuck behind cars.
It acknowledged the change would mean the loss of a direct tram link for the Domain shopping strip, and for residents of that pocket of South Yarra, but said the impacts were "acceptable in the circumstances" as those people would still be within 400 metres of a tram route.
But if the route 8 detour past the gardens is to disappear, those who use it will not know until years after it has gone.
PTV does not plan to make a decision on route 8 any time soon and said it would first assess the performance of the Toorak Road diversion after trams begin to use it when Metro tunnel construction begins in 2018.
"While no timing has been set for this decision, PTV would expect to have come to a final view well before the re-opening of Domain Road," it said.
But Rail Futures secretary Bill Russell, an occasional transport consultant to the government, said Melbourne risked diminishing a key connection for tourists.
"The Botanic Gardens is one of Melbourne's major tourist attractions and the tram ride to the gardens' front gate is a very important part of our tourist infrastructure that shouldn't be removed," Professor Russell said.
Melbourne Grammar School also stands to lose public transport access to one school entry point on Domain Road, but headmaster Roy Kelley said "at this point in time we have no major issue with the proposed measures being taken to ensure the safety and transport of our students".
Opposition public transport spokesman David Hodgett said it made more sense to preserve the existing tram route, to avoid the need to remove a traffic lane on St Kilda Road.
"Once again, Daniel Andrews is exposed as rushing through major projects rather than taking the time to properly plan, consult and consider the issues so that Melbourne ends up with the best possible outcomes for rail, tram and road users and local residents," Mr Hodgett said.
www.theage.com.au/victoria/uprooted-tra ... s3iwy.html
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Re: Domain Rd tram

Postby tranzitjim » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:41 pm

Also another matter that has come to my mind is, fighting for traffic at the very end of Toorak road.

The logical way for all road traffic along Toorak road is to follow it all the way to St Kilda road.

The tram has the advantage of not getting caught up in that traffic, by getting around it via its current route.

If you add the tram to that mix????
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Re: Domain Rd tram

Postby cal_t » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:29 am

Anyone for skytram along Toorak Rd and then extend it to Burwood? :P
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby Craig » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:51 pm

An official update at long last...

Victorian Government wrote:
Metro Tunnel To Transform Melbourne’s Tram Network
Minister for Public Transport
25 October 2016
Transport
Media Release

The Metro Tunnel will transform Melbourne’s tram network as it builds a new train system below the city.

Minister for Public Transport Jacinta Allan today announced that works at Domain will begin shortly, with a worksite to be established in the southern corner of the Shrine Reserve early next month.

The site will not affect the road or tram network, and work will initially focus on relocating gas, water and other services.

But as work ramps up next year, large construction sites will be established on St Kilda Road and Domain Road to build Domain Station and eventually provide a launch site for the massive tunnel boring machines that will dig the Metro Tunnel.

These sites will prevent Route 8 trams turning right onto St Kilda Road from Domain Road. As a result, the project will build new tracks along Toorak Road West, allowing trams to turn onto St Kilda Road south of the Domain construction site.

When this work is complete by mid-next year, Routes 8 and 55 will be combined into a new Route 58, which will run from Toorak through South Yarra to St Kilda Road via the new Toorak Road West connection. Trams will then turn left down Park Street and run along Kings Way to William Street, on to West Coburg.

At the same time, Route 6 from Glen Iris will be extended from Melbourne University to Moreland, to replace Route 8 services on Lygon Street.

This will ensure there is no reduction in service for passengers in Brunswick and Coburg, and will increase services to Prahran, Malvern and Glen Iris.

The Metro Tunnel project will also build new tram connections on Toorak Road West in South Yarra, Park Street in South Melbourne and on Flinders Street in the CBD to allow trams to continue at the end of Elizabeth Street.

These connections will allow trams to spread out across the city once the Metro Tunnel is up and running, delivering high-frequency train services from Domain to Parkville and relieving pressure on trams along Swanston Street and St Kilda Road – the busiest tram route in the world.

Quotes attributable to Minister for Public Transport Jacinta Allan
“Metro Tunnel will relieve the pressure on the busiest tram route in the world by providing turn-up-and-go train services under Swanston Street from Domain to Parkville.”

“New connections in South Yarra, South Melbourne and the CBD will enable trams to fan out across the city to where they are needed most in the future.”

“Route 58 will start next year as part of the transformation this massive project will deliver to our tram network, while it builds a new tunnel to run more trains in and out of the city from the suburbs and regions.”


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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby maxy54 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:34 am

tranzitjim wrote:Brunswick shall be getting all 21 of the D2 class.


You've obviously been living in hibernation for at least 18 months, because all 21 D's are ALREADY at Brunswick, with D2 5011 being the last one transfered in June last year. Not all of them are being used on the #19, with some seeing use on Route 8
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby maxy54 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:38 am

jamesadams7 wrote:As 8 and 55 are to be merged, low-floor trams will operate along Route 55 for the first time, serving platform stops in front of the hospitals. Unfortunately, there's no platform stops on William Street yet to make use of them.


One did operate on Route 55 during the Commonwealth Games when it was merged with Route 5 to aleviate Congestion on St Kilda Road. But in terms of full time running, yes this would have to be the first time
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby BusPlaneTrainTram » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:47 pm

With 24 distinct tram routes, why have the numbers spread through 1 to 109? Why go for a new 58 [I grasp the merge of 8 and 55].
The use of the suffix a and d has reduced the former multiplicity of numbers.

Simplify the numbers.
ST KILDA ROAD
1. East Coburg - South Melbourne Beach and Arts Centre via University
2. [ex 67] Carnegie
3. East Malvern via Balaclava Rd
4. [ex 64] East Brighton
5. Malvern via Dandenong Rd
6. Glen Iris - Moreland
7. [ex 72] Camberwell
8. Toorak to West Coburg via William Street
9. [ex 16] Kew via St Kilda
SOUTH MELBOURNE & NORTH EAST
10. [ex 109] South Melbourne to Box Hill
11. Docklands to West Preston
12. St Kilda [Fitzroy Street] to Victoria Gardens
14. [ex 96]St Kilda Beach to East Brunswick
15. [ex 48]North Balwyn to Docklands
16. [ex 70] Wattle Park to Docklands via Swan St & City
17. [ex 75] Vermont South to City (Spencer St) via Bridge Rd
NORTH
19. North Coburg to City via Sydney Rd
20. [ex 86]Bundoora/RMIT to Telstra Dome/Central Pier Docklands
CROSS SUBURBAN
25. [ex 78]Nth Richmond to Balaclava via Chapel St
28. [ex 82]Moonee Ponds to Footscray via Maribyrnong Rd
WEST
27. [ex 57]West Maribyrnong to City via Epsom Rd
29. [ex 59]Airport West to City via Mt Alexander Rd [59]
CITY
30. St Vincents Plaza - Docklands
35. City Circle tram (free service)

.......and probably each of you could come up with another version.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby 712M » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:02 pm

I can see where you're coming from, however it's not really worth the confusion of changing the majority of established route numbers for the sake of them all being within a small range. As it stands, you could double the number of suburban bus routes in Melbourne and still have plenty of spare route numbers in the 150-999 range for future expansion.
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby paulgersche » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:17 pm

maxy54 wrote:
tranzitjim wrote:Brunswick shall be getting all 21 of the D2 class.


You've obviously been living in hibernation for at least 18 months, because all 21 D's are ALREADY at Brunswick, with D2 5011 being the last one transfered in June last year. Not all of them are being used on the #19, with some seeing use on Route 8


Maxy,

Check the date of tranzitjim's post, which was March 2015, well before the last transfer occurred.

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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby maxy54 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:13 pm

Apologies, didn't check the date of TranzitJim's post
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Re: Changes down the line for Melbourne's tram routes

Postby RailwayBus » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:36 am

BusPlaneTrainTram wrote:With 24 distinct tram routes, why have the numbers spread through 1 to 109? Why go for a new 58 [I grasp the merge of 8 and 55].
The use of the suffix a and d has reduced the former multiplicity of numbers.

Simplify the numbers.
ST KILDA ROAD
1. East Coburg - South Melbourne Beach and Arts Centre via University
2. [ex 67] Carnegie
3. East Malvern via Balaclava Rd
4. [ex 64] East Brighton
5. Malvern via Dandenong Rd
6. Glen Iris - Moreland
7. [ex 72] Camberwell
8. Toorak to West Coburg via William Street
9. [ex 16] Kew via St Kilda
SOUTH MELBOURNE & NORTH EAST
10. [ex 109] South Melbourne to Box Hill
11. Docklands to West Preston
12. St Kilda [Fitzroy Street] to Victoria Gardens
14. [ex 96]St Kilda Beach to East Brunswick
15. [ex 48]North Balwyn to Docklands
16. [ex 70] Wattle Park to Docklands via Swan St & City
17. [ex 75] Vermont South to City (Spencer St) via Bridge Rd
NORTH
19. North Coburg to City via Sydney Rd
20. [ex 86]Bundoora/RMIT to Telstra Dome/Central Pier Docklands
CROSS SUBURBAN
25. [ex 78]Nth Richmond to Balaclava via Chapel St
28. [ex 82]Moonee Ponds to Footscray via Maribyrnong Rd
WEST
27. [ex 57]West Maribyrnong to City via Epsom Rd
29. [ex 59]Airport West to City via Mt Alexander Rd [59]
CITY
30. St Vincents Plaza - Docklands
35. City Circle tram (free service)

.......and probably each of you could come up with another version.


Why go to all that trouble when we could leave them as they are? The current numbers aren't hurting anybody. A wholesale change like the above, for no real reason, wouldn't achieve any more than unnecessary confusion and expenditure.
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