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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby stajourneyman » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:21 am

According to the fleetlists, there recently seems to have been a considerable migration of Volvo B7 / CB80s into Brookvale, having come from both Y and R.

Going out the V exit gate have been Volvo B12 / euro5s (4800s) heading back to their spiritual home at R.

R also received a batch of Volvo B12 / Euro 3s from V, R having never really had any of this type apart from the odd one or two.

In addition, a number of Volvo B12 Volgren rigids have been transferred to Y.

V is now sitting at 59 Volvo B7 / CB80s.

Other interesting transfers recently include, strangely, a batch of Volvo B12 / Euro 5s from R to W.

W drivers won't know themselves after having driven gas rubbish around for endless years, apart from the Scania Bustechs.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby swtt » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:54 pm

stajourneyman wrote:According to the fleetlists, there recently seems to have been a considerable migration of Volvo B7 / CB80s into Brookvale, having come from both Y and R.

Going out the V exit gate have been Volvo B12 / euro5s (4800s) heading back to their spiritual home at R.

R also received a batch of Volvo B12 / Euro 3s from V, R having never really had any of this type apart from the odd one or two.

In addition, a number of Volvo B12 Volgren rigids have been transferred to Y.

V is now sitting at 59 Volvo B7 / CB80s.

Other interesting transfers recently include, strangely, a batch of Volvo B12 / Euro 5s from R to W.

W drivers won't know themselves after having driven gas rubbish around for endless years, apart from the Scania Bustechs.
What new buses have R received, in taking on older buses and losing newer buses?

Or are these movements looking forward to CSELR opening within 3 months?

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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Daniel » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:25 pm

swtt wrote:What new buses have R received, in taking on older buses and losing newer buses?

Or are these movements looking forward to CSELR opening within 3 months?

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22 new Scania CB80s in recent months. Although not all are on the road due to extensive delays fitting Opal.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby stajourneyman » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:08 pm

From the fleet lists, here's a summary, in fleet number order, of STA deliveries over the past 18 months ....

2893 - 2900...(8)....Scania K310UB....CB80.......Port Botany...2018
2901 - 2903...(3)....Scania K310UB....CB80.......Willoughby....2018
2904 - 2912...(9)....Scania K310UB....Volgren.....Kingsgrove...2018
2913...........(1)....Volvo B8RLE.......CB80........Ryde..........2017
2914 - 2932..(19)...Volvo B8RLE.......Volgren......Ryde..........2018
2933 - 2942..(10)...Volvo B8RLE.......Volgren......Burwood......2018
2943 - 2960..(18)...Volvo B8RLE.......Volgren......Port Botany...2018
2961 - 2964...(4)...Scania K310UB....CB80........Willoughby.....2019
2965 - 2978..(14)...Scania K310UB....CB80........Port Botany....2019
2979 - 2990..(12)...Scania K310UB....CB80........Randwick......2019
2991 - 3003..(13)...Volvo B8RLE.......CB80........Ryde...........2019
3004 - 3022..(19)...Volvo B8RLE.......Bustech....Willoughby.....2019
3023 - 3032..(10)...Scania K310UB....CB80........Randwick.....2019
3033 - 3038...(6)...Volvo B8RLE.......CB80........Ryde...........2019
3039 - 3046...(8)...Volvo B8RLE.......Volgren.....Ryde...........2019
3047 - 3054...(8)...Volvo B8RLE.......Volgren.....Port Botany....2019
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby boronia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:48 pm

I has a ride in one of the new Volvo B8s the other day. I was surprised by the transmission lag. Engine would rev up well before the bus started to move; reminiscent of old torque converters. Is this normal?
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Swift » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:16 pm

boronia wrote:I has a ride in one of the new Volvo B8s the other day. I was surprised by the transmission lag. Engine would rev up well before the bus started to move; reminiscent of old torque converters. Is this normal?

Maybe Renk or Allison got the gig?
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby J_Busworth » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:17 pm

boronia wrote:I has a ride in one of the new Volvo B8s the other day. I was surprised by the transmission lag. Engine would rev up well before the bus started to move; reminiscent of old torque converters. Is this normal?


That appears to be the new normal unfortunately. It is overly noticeable on all of the newer B8s I’ve caught. One driver I noted it to claimed “you need to floor it as you pressed the doors closed button for the lag to even be bearable.”

I am unsure of why that is the case.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Daniel » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:16 pm

STA’s specified throttle delay.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Swift » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:08 pm

I imagine drivers don't appreciate it.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Merc1107 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:25 pm

Volvos (in Perth) seem to have a "hill hold" function which might produce a similar effect; allowing the engine to rev before releasing a brake. In practice it rarely seems to behave as you'd expect and makes starting off (or stopping gently) unnecessarily rough.

The B8 artics have a throttle delay. Quite annoying and tends to result in unnecessary over-acceleration by drivers from a start to compensate.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Stu » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:29 pm

^ This occurs with the B12 artics at STA & TSA.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:18 pm

I do notice the newest B8RLE's at STA do seem to have quite a sluggish acceleration and also note the engine revs up a bit before the bus actually moves. But I still like the B8's overall - feels like Ryde got an early Christmas present with the truckload of B8RLE CB80 / Volgren Optimus delivered to that depot this year.

On a seperate observation/topic.

So many buses (at STA in particular), I have noticed all of a sudden so many buses have all-over (entire-bus-coverage) advertising now. In my picture, I've snapped 3 in a row, with another two behind also all-covered. The B8 Volgrens would only have 1 or 3 windows covered up, now theres actually buses of this type with the entire thing covered. More buses of other types have all-over wrap now too. Some CB80 Series II all of a sudden has 3 windows covered, till now its always been 1 window only. Do you all reckon it has to do with the $50 Opal cap? So they are recouping that lost revenue with increased ads? I mean, I'll very happily take the lower weekly price I benefit from, in trade off for a lower quality bus ride (ie windows covered), but yeah, interesting to observe

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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:11 pm

Jurassic_Joke wrote:So many buses (at STA in particular), I have noticed all of a sudden so many buses have all-over (entire-bus-coverage) advertising now. In my picture, I've snapped 3 in a row, with another two behind also all-covered. The B8 Volgrens would only have 1 or 3 windows covered up, now theres actually buses of this type with the entire thing covered. More buses of other types have all-over wrap now too. Some CB80 Series II all of a sudden has 3 windows covered, till now its always been 1 window only. Do you all reckon it has to do with the $50 Opal cap? So they are recouping that lost revenue with increased ads? I mean, I'll very happily take the lower weekly price I benefit from, in trade off for a lower quality bus ride (ie windows covered), but yeah, interesting to observe


Totally different as the fare money goes direct to Transport for NSW while the advertising money is collected by the operator.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:39 pm

Ahh I see I wasn't aware of that - thanks for letting me know.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Swift » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Can't blame them for trying to meet budgets but where is the line in the sand? I think plastering that and obscuring so many windows stepping over it myself.
That film does not permit sufficient visibility and favours the advertisers. We have America to thank for this window film idea.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby ay7744 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:31 am

https://www.jamesgriffinmp.com/extra_se ... s_hospital

9 Extra City-bound B-Line services in the morning peak originating from Dee Why and Warringah Mall and 155 to be extended to operate from Bayview to Northern Beaches Hospital via Mona Vale, Narrabeen and Wakehurst Pwy - 180 weekly services (likely to operate half hourly) and provide connections to Chatswood through the turn up and go 136. Additional timetable changes for Northern Beaches services from Sunday November 17.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby boronia » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:00 pm

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Jurassic_Joke wrote:So many buses (at STA in particular), I have noticed all of a sudden so many buses have all-over (entire-bus-coverage) advertising now. In my picture, I've snapped 3 in a row, with another two behind also all-covered. The B8 Volgrens would only have 1 or 3 windows covered up, now theres actually buses of this type with the entire thing covered. More buses of other types have all-over wrap now too. Some CB80 Series II all of a sudden has 3 windows covered, till now its always been 1 window only. Do you all reckon it has to do with the $50 Opal cap? So they are recouping that lost revenue with increased ads? I mean, I'll very happily take the lower weekly price I benefit from, in trade off for a lower quality bus ride (ie windows covered), but yeah, interesting to observe


Totally different as the fare money goes direct to Transport for NSW while the advertising money is collected by the operator.

I recall reading quite some time ago, that TfNSW did in fact get a % of the fee on account of owning the buses. That is why they are not in favor of banning it; they are not interested in protecting the operators' benefits, only their own
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby swtt » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:52 pm

Are there enough DD buses to put more services on to the B-line during the peaks?

Looks like 17/11 could be another day of some fairly sweeping changes across the other regions?
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby boronia » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:24 pm

2819 reported involved in "spectacular" accident on High St Kensington this afternoon. Managed to wipe out half a dozen cars.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby 2112Y » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:06 pm

On Tuesday 22 Oct 2019 at 2pm in Coffs Harbour one Bustech for STA was travelling south, sporting the dark light blue camouflage front. Missed the fleet # as it whizzed past while I was driving up to Brisbane.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby idontknow556 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:59 am

If I am correct then it would be one of the Volvo B8RLEs for Willoughby
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:12 am

boronia wrote:2819 reported involved in "spectacular" accident on High St Kensington this afternoon. Managed to wipe out half a dozen cars.
2819 got transferred to Transit Systems with the franchising of region 6
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby lunchbox » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 pm

1245 noted on a float heading north on Victoria Rd Rozelle at 11.28am, Thursday 31.10.19.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby joshurandazzo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:08 pm

It's a shame that STA does not want to replace the gas tanks on the CNG O 405NH's as they could of gone 5+ more years. I adore the CNG O 405NH's i adore the sound of the ZF 5HP 500 gearbox and the classic hubs. yes some are unhealthy but they have a certain character that the new buses don't have. Id rather one of these anyday over a B8RLE or a Ecolifed K280UB. I remember a time when there was over a 100 of them in port botany depot it was like heaven one after the other they keept on coming even if you didn't get one you would still get a enthusing CNG O 500LE or a B12BLE CB60. But now there's only 42 of them and it's very sad. you only see them commonly during peak hour now. the same with Ryde's O 405NH's but waverleys ones are still use a decent amount on the 314 and 379.


Here is a recording of a nice one operating a 314 to bondi junction. This one use to have loud NBS from memory

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Here is 1215 it had one of the loudest Gearboxes at Port Botany bus depot. This one was withdrawn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78lmqrLdMTU&t=29s.
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Re: STA Observations 2019

Postby Swift » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:12 pm

^ They are the last in the fleet to have hub reduction axles and the VoV dash. The first was the mark 1 0305 in 1977.
That will be over 40 years of the government buses having Mercedes Benz buses with those same features in the fleet. The ex North and Western 0405 stragglers will probably be gone at the same time.

I'm sure many bus companies in the country will be keen to buy the ZF gearboxes out of them.
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